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LeoXIII

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« on: September 26, 2005, 03:09:PM »

My friends, forgive me for asking such a basic question, but why are OT saints not considered as such? For example, the term saints appears in the OT. Moses himself could be attributed to miracles. So, why do we not refer to him as St. Moses or Job as St. Job?

Thank you all.


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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2005, 05:56:PM »

Quote from: LeoXIII

Thank you all.

I'm fairly sure that OT persons are considered to be saints. However, the "saint" title is applied only to members of the Catholic Church. Still, the OT saints are considered to be in heaven, ever since Christ rescued them from "Abraham's bosom". I guess the only reason OT saints aren't venerated as much is because the Jews had no such tradition, and it never quite carried over into the Christian. The early Church was concerned with venerating saints closer to their time, and the OT saints never quite made it into popular Catholic tradition.

Still, though, here is a Litany to OT saints. http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/litany22.htm


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Brennus

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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2005, 06:59:PM »

St. Patrick, for some reason, refers to "calling upon Elijah" in one of his writings. He relates how there was some difficulty he was facing (I don't remeber the whole story) and when he remembered to seek Elijah's intervention, his problem was resolved.

I should like to point out that when Our Lord exclaimed "Eli Eli lama sabathani" some of the people standing near misunderstood him and thought he was "calling on Elijah."

It's possible the Jews did pray to some of the Old Testament saints but the practice must not have been that widespread.

As I said, I don't know any details about any of this, other than what I've written here.

God bless you,

Brennus


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Quo_Vadis_Petre

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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2005, 07:23:PM »

I remember an article on CFN which said that the feast of Adam and Eve was celebrated in the Eastern churches on December 24. It seems the East venerate saints of the Old Testament more than the Latin Rite, although in its prayers it acknowledges them.


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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2005, 08:43:PM »

i have a book called lives of the saints. it has abraham issac and jacob listed as saints


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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2005, 09:06:PM »

I read somewhere on the internet that the Old Testament saints are only refered to as saints on their feast day. If I can find it, maybe there is an address where I can mail them and ask why.


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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2005, 09:08:PM »

If I am not mistaken before Quo Primum there were many feasts for O.T. saints celebrated in the various Western-rite Liturgies including the Roman-rite.


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KyrieEleison

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2005, 09:17:PM »

In the Eastern Rites, Saint Elias[Elijah] is commemorated on July 24th and this is one of their great feasts. Also amongst the Carmelite order, Saint Elias day is celebrated on July 20 in the NO calendar but I don't know what it is in the Old.

http://www.carmelites.ie/Saints/elijah.htm


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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2005, 10:54:PM »

St. Elias is commemorated on 20 July, same as the Carmelite calendar.


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