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Author Topic: A letter from Fatima Shrine Rector TO SSPX  (Read 4280 times)
DominusTecum
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2005, 02:39:PM »

I'll put it like this...

 

A) The SSPX is the best we've got, nobody will dispute that. They are a very, very good Catholic organization.

 

B) There was probably a misunderstanding of some kind, maybe

 

C) I don't trust the shrine rector farther than I can throw him, and I doubt I could even pick him up.

 

D) Satan is having a field day listening to us trust his forked-tongued serpent and immediately get these ideas that "The SSPX has misled us!!!"

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HMiS
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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2005, 02:42:PM »

I had written a complaint to Reverend Father Luciano Guerra too.

 

For the SSPX'ers: Please stay reasonable.

For the anti-SSPX'ers over here (Jarrod, Reese?): Don't judge too quickly!

 

My impression is, that the SSPX had received permission orally, and took that for granted.

 

However the "tradition" of 25 years of 14.00 h prayer and chanting (not reparation prayer as can be seen from this video of the sisters disturbing the SSPX Rosary: http://www.fsspx.info/media/Fatima.mov - You will need Quick Time Player) was there also.

 

But comparing the numbers and the knowledge the shrine rector had of the SSPX praying there: should not he have moved the 14.00 h Sisters' Chanting to 15.00 h? That would have been reasonable. But instead he let it stand there and take place, even when he already knew the Ceremony of the SSPX had taken place.

 

Indeed, his letter was a standard one and is too overtly laying all guilt on the SSPX's site and cleaning himself entirely of any guilt and participation in the Hindu Ceremony and the disruption of the SSPX Pilgrimage. That is irrealistic, especially because the loud music screaming from speakers all over the Basilica Square and around the Capelhiña, is not there normally and was intended to disrupt the SSPX Ceremony.

 

And the Sisters chanting straight through the SSPX Rosary, which had begun far earlier, were being rude to visiting Catholic pilgrims.

 

So maybe the SSPX should acknowledge, that the planning coincided with a regular 14h00 Sisters' Chanting Service, but the Sisters, shrine directors and the authorities are responsible still for the disruption which was rude, offensive and totally un-Catholic, yes anti-Christian! Who would start singing through a solemn Latin Rosary just because of a misunderstanding? Who would drive veiled Roman Catholic pilgrims away by playing loud (sacral and secular) music from speakers all over the shrine?

 

Guerra totally avoids the rudeness and the hostility with which he and the shrine authorities received the SSPX.

 

The SSPX were already forbidden to celebrate Holy Mass inside a church or the basilica! (This is quite usual, but still anti-hospitality, if you know Anglicans and Hindus are given the shrine chapel itself.)

 

No, the loud speaker terror was not an incident, but just a carefully planned strategy to disrupt the Ceremony of the SSPX. It was inspired by ill will.

 

The ill will was not on the site of the SSPX, even though they should have informed themselves better than merely orally with Fr. Guerra. Fr. Guerra is not reliable cleric as can been concluded from his contradictory statements since the Hindu sacrilege.

 

It is not the SSPX being arrogant now, even though after having been terrorized they will not admit that they should have made black on white appointments with Fr. Guerra, instead of only speaking him by telephone and telling him they wanted to pray the Rosary at 14.00 (2 pm).

 

How much lying is involved in this e-mail letter can be concluded from the contradiction, that Guerra writes he does not like controversy and inimity, but before that says he could not act differently than to let the sisters disrupt the SSPX ceremony, as "their prayers had been planned and take place for 25 years".

 

Maybe someone would be so kind as to answer Rev. Fr. Guerra about this contradiction. I don't have the time and energy to do it anymore, as I really think he does not want to listen.

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Marybonita
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2005, 05:36:PM »

Knowing the priests of the Society, every i would be dotted and t crossed before they embark on such a trip. They probably expected some problems but not to this degree.

 

Consider this: The shrine rector has been known to "equivocate" before - that is play footloose with the truth. Equivocating is a byproduct of the post VII years in the Church. The Novus Ordo live in a world of their creation and have spent the past 40 years explaining the inexplicable to an increasingly skeptical laity and emptying pews.

 

In JMJ 

 

 

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Reese
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2005, 05:54:PM »

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For the anti-SSPX'ers over here (Jarrod, Reese?): Don't judge too quickly!
 
  HMIS, I know English is your second language, so I tend to cut you  slack most of the time, but putting me in line with "anti-SSPX'ers" and  a question mark after my name doesn't cut it with me.  I haven't  judged anything, I came to a possible conclusion that there may  have been a misunderstanding of some kind.  I thought it was  obvious that I was being charitable to both sides of the issue,  apparently not.  If I could see both parties speaking to me face  to face, I could probably tell 9 times out of 10 which one maybe lying.  And I emphasize maybe because perhaps neither side is lying. 
 
  As I said before, there is always two sides to every story, and usually  the truth lies somewhere in between the two stories. 
 
  You've probably never heard of the game "telephone line," that children  used to play when I was a kid.  One person starts out telling one  person a short story, then that person passes it on to the next  child.  By the time it reaches the last person, the story barely  resembles what the first person said.  It's a wise lesson in how  people can twist things without doing it on purpose.  This is  because different people don't hear as well as others, they come from  different perspectives, different backgrounds, etc.  We're human,  we err without even trying, it's always wise to keep that in  mind.  I've also found to be true that there is no such thing as  an unbiased opinion in earthly matters. 
 
 
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Jarrod_D
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2005, 09:36:AM »

The SSPX went to Fatima for drama.  Plain and simple.  They went their with a "rules dont apply to me," attitude and desired to be rejected at the door.  This is what happened.

 

Try doing that at St. Peters, the swiss guard wouldn't have been so nice.

 

re: "I thought you said the drama at Fatima changed your attitude?"

 

Certainly, when I got the first word, it was shocking.  Now, it appears the nuns didn't disrupt the SSPX, but the other way around. 

 

Jarrod

 

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DominusTecum
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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2005, 09:43:AM »

How do you know they went there for drama? They went there simply to do what needed to be done, making a public act of reparation for the most grievous sacrilege of Fr. Guerra & company, allowing pagans to pray in the chapel and turn Fatima into an interfaithist shine of ecumenism.

 

I don't understand why, when Fr. Guerra tells "his side of the story," you immediately believe him wholeheartedly. He A) has a history of putting a spin on things, B) is a certified modernist in the N.O. establishment, and C) probably had some sort of misunderstanding, if anything. He puts out this letter and expects people to do exactly what you are doing, say "ah, those dissidents, schismatics, just wanted 'drama.'" The SSPX has never been known to lie and be deceptive to advance their apostolate. That is not how the Gospel should be spread.

 

 

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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2005, 09:53:AM »

I know even a Dutch (bit frustrated) but very "conservative" Catholic researcher (Mark Waterinckx) who researches apparitions, but blindly believes Mgr. Fr. Luciano Guerra.

 

He even posted in a Dutch forum, that the SSPX just "made" a "drama" out of the very incident. That Fr. Guerra was correct, as after all Luciano Guerra spoke with him. "SO" he has to be alright....

 

How naive he is.

 

Just discrediting John Vennari and Christopher Ferrara and even saying Portugese television "lied".

 

Maybe he is just indifferent because of pagan desecration.

 

He is a typical "neocon" Catholic. He and his wife attend a Novus Ordo Mass and his wife always asks before going to communion: "Was this Mass valid or not?" And only then do they go to communion. A schizophrenic attitude. As long as the Mass is "valid", according to her husband. 

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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2005, 10:07:AM »

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The SSPX went to Fatima for drama.  Plain and simple.  They went their  with a "rules dont apply to me," attitude and desired to be rejected at  the door.  This is what happened.
 
  Jarrod, a little more charity, please.  You do not know any such thing, you're just jumping to conclusions. 
 
 
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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2005, 01:23:PM »

The whole point of the trip was to be a sign of contradiction, I thought that much was obvious.

 

Jarrod

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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2005, 02:19:PM »

How come Jarrod, that you are such a hyper-prejudiced individual with such emotionalist posts?

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