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Author Topic: Proud Neo-Catholics  (Read 1937 times)
InquisitorGeneralis
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« on: October 10, 2005, 04:19:AM »

I've already posted about this on my blog, but I'll post it here, too, for your edification:
 
 

 
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Apparently, some people simply do not get it.  The term "neo-Catholic" is not a good thing.  It is not something  one should aspire to be. Period. Quite simply, a neo-Catholic is one  who would have been considered a radical liberal before Vatican II, but  is now considered "conservative." In practice, neo-Catholics pay little  attention to doctrinal and liturgical matters, but concern themselves  entirely with politics and sexual mores. They think every utterance  from the Pope is infallible. They were drawn to the charisma of John  Paul II, supported the Iraq War*, and voted for Bush in the last  election. They simply cannot understand the importance of the  Traditional Latin Mass and think "On Eagle's Wings" and "Amazing Grace"  are acceptable hymns for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. What's more,  they probably think the phrase "Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" sounds  archaic. In short, a neo-Catholic is someone who just doesn't get it.
 
  * The neo-Catholic position on the Iraq war contradicts their belief  that every last utterance from the Pope is infallible, but nevermind  that.
 
 
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VoxClamantis
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2005, 04:30:AM »

This would sum it up for them:

 

http://www.seattlecatholic.com/article_20011221_A_Brief_Defense_of_Traditionalism.html

 

-- but they'd rather not read anything, apparently. Unless, of course, it comes from someone who's busy excommunicating those dastardly "trads."

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Marybonita
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2005, 06:51:AM »

The fact that they need a statement outlining their "beliefs" shows how far they are removed from tradition. A traditional Catholic adheres to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church - you know - actions based on the principles of the New Testament. We don't issue personal belief statements.

 

The whole concept is absurd. It's a direct result of VII that you have to state your personal position on the tenets of the Church - even those which are novel.

 

Liberalism is the key to this false thinking.

 

In JMJ

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InquisitorGeneralis
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2005, 06:57:AM »

Of course, I should mention that Wikipedia now has an entry on Neo-Catholicism:
 
 
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Today, the term "Neo-Catholic" has mildly derogatory overtones and is most often used by traditional Catholics  to describe conservative Catholics who fully accept the changes to  Catholic practice and liturgical life made after the close of the  Second Vatican Council. Contemporary Neo-Catholics have an exaggerated  view of Papal authority and are often concerned with politics and  sexual mores over liturgical and doctrinal matters. For example, the  typical Neo-Catholic might be actively involved in the pro-life  movement, but favor more contemporary liturgical practices, such as  folk Masses, and blend Protestant soteriology and eschatology in with  Catholic teaching. They would also likely be more in favor of ecumenism  with conservative evangelicals.
 
  Vox and yours truly deserve the credit/blame for the part shown above.
 
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royalcello
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2005, 07:50:AM »

I had never read before that "neo-Catholic" was used to refer to 19th-century Spanish Carlist reactionaries.  That seems odd (what was "neo" about them?); I wonder if the first paragraph is correct.  (Your second paragraph is great, though I wonder how long it will last as is.)

However, I suppose sloppy terminology is nothing new.  I am reminded of a negative leftist review of Thomas Woods's "Politically Incorrect Guide to American History" which referred to it as a "neocon version of U.S. history," when of course Dr. Woods, a pro-Confederate paleolibertarian who despises Bush, is about as far from being a neocon as it is possible to be.  Apparently some leftists have taken to using "neocon" as an epithet for anything they don't like, with no understanding of of what it really means, just as this liberal Fr. Joe O'Leary has confused "NeoCaths" with aspects of traditionalism, inspiring the ridiculous "Proud NeoCath" graphic.  Perhaps the same kind of confusion was at the root of this alleged 19th-century use of "neo-Catholic."
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KyrieEleison
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2005, 02:16:PM »

Neo Catholic in this poster probably means new Catholic. Do you think that the average American Protestant, the person at whom this is aimed at, has an idea of the neocath/trad divide?

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StAthanasius
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2005, 02:30:PM »

Quote from: KyrieEleison

Neo Catholic in this poster probably means new Catholic. Do you think that the average American Protestant, the person at whom this is aimed at, has an idea of the neocath/trad divide?


I'm not sure most American Catholics know the difference.
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InquisitorGeneralis
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2005, 06:20:PM »

Quote from: royalcello
I had never read before that "neo-Catholic" was used  to refer to 19th-century Spanish Carlist reactionaries. That seems odd  (what was "neo" about them?); I wonder if the first paragraph is  correct. (Your second paragraph is great, though I wonder how long it  will last as is.)
 
  I was wondering the same thing about that first part.  But thank you for your comment on our paragraph.

 
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However, I suppose sloppy terminology is nothing  new. I am reminded of a negative leftist review of Thomas Woods's  "Politically Incorrect Guide to American History" which referred to it  as a "neocon version of U.S. history," when of course Dr. Woods, a  pro-Confederate paleolibertarian who despises Bush, is about as far  from being a neocon as it is possible to be. Apparently some leftists  have taken to using "neocon" as an epithet for anything they don't  like, with no understanding of of what it really means, just as this  liberal Fr. Joe O'Leary has confused "NeoCaths" with aspects of  traditionalism, inspiring the ridiculous "Proud NeoCath" graphic.  Perhaps the same kind of confusion was at the root of this alleged  19th-century use of "neo-Catholic."
 
  I know!  I just can't believe how &*%$ing STUPID ppl can  be!  I read that same Fr. O'Leary article and about threw a temper  tantrum.  To call traditionalists "neo-Catholics" or real  conservatives "neo-cons" COMPLETELY misses the distinction being made  by the terms.
 
  Of course, what's funny is that ppl who misuse these terms almost  uniformly use them to show that they're hip and that they have their  fingers on the pulse of the current religious and political  climate.  In fact, however, the improper use of these terms shows  the exact opposite.
 
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algts
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2005, 06:31:PM »

My husband is a Matrix fan (the movie) and it seems to be a spin on the character "Neo"  (I don't know if that's how he spells his name in the movie).  In the movie, he even wears a cassock-like garment and those sunglasses.   Looks like that ad for priests! 

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Alf
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2005, 09:21:PM »

Yeah...that ad is pretty darn funny.

Coming to a parish near you, eh?

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