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Author Topic: About dressing up for before or during Halloween  (Read 3437 times)
Psyche
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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2005, 08:05:PM »

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some of the costumes I see - especially among the sodomites - are priests, Bishops and Nuns.

 

 

Oh my goodness!  Are you serious?  Well of course you are serious but how in the world do you know what "gay" people dress as for Halloween?  You must have found some pics on some web site or other.  (I've never thought of what any particular type of sinner would dress as for Halloween.)

 

But even if some of these sinners do dress as priests and nuns, and even if some pagans proudly proclaim on their websites that they "own" Halloween, or even if some Wiccans use that day for their extra-specially evil spells, or even if some Satanists perform human sacrifices on Halloween . . . it's not the day which is at fault.  It's not the day we should shun, ignore, call evil.  We should shun and call evil these people and their sins.  And then sanctify the day somehow.  And if that sanctification of Halloween is helped along by children praying for the poor souls, or their own souls, even if they get free candy and dress as Superman or a princess along the way, then wonderful.

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Psyche
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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2005, 08:18:PM »

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It's not protestant to have a disdain and abhorrence for all sin and imperfections, mortal or venial . . . This is not "looking for sin" in every corner.

 

I'm sorry I have to say this because it should be obvious, but watching The Sound of Music is not a sin, mortal or venial, and it is not an imperfection.  Neither is using electricity.  Or even using the internet!  Considering these things to be imperfections or venial sins or wrong in any way is, indeed, Puritanical and Amish-y. 

 

The Catholic Principle is "Moderation in everything."  In this way we usually keep ourselves away from sin.  But when we or our spiritual leaders start forgetting moderation in favor of scrupulosity it is then that we really do put ourselves in danger of falling . . . not from watching The Sound of Music.

 

 

 

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Quite frankly, I am saddened by the vehemence some display against those here when they are simply reiterating Catholic standards.

 

I'm not sure what Catholic standards you are speaking about, because what's under discussion here hasn't been "standardized" otherwise as this is a Trad Cath board, I doubt we'd be arguing over it.

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DominusTecum
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2005, 11:48:PM »

Psyche, did you read Bp. Williamson's article on the topic?

 

I don't agree with him on everything but he makes some very good points.

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MeLikeNanners
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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2005, 04:00:AM »

Trick or Tract:
Satan, Jack Chick, and Other Halloween Horrors

Every autumn Christians throughout North America engage in hand-wringing disputes over what to do about Halloween. The discussions tend to reflect in microcosm how we interact with overtly secular aspects on a larger scale. Should we separate and stand apart, becoming a witness by or disengagement or do we participate and attempt to redeem the event by acts of hospitality and neighborly love?

Bonnie from Intellectuelle adds a thoughtful contribution to the discussion, one in which I must confess to be in almost total disagreement with. But one section in particular caught my attention:

I think it could be wishful thinking to say that we can “redeem” Halloween by trick-or-treating in good will. It may not be expressive of good will toward those who do not understand the truth of spiritual matters. Again, aren’t we endorsing the holiday itself by participating in it? The only alternative to non-participation is to hand out leaflets containing the history of Halloween (with appropriate verses of Scripture, plus a candy bar) or tracts to trick-or-treaters...but whether or not that is neighborly is a debate in itself. [emphasis added]

Reading that sentence about handing “tracts to trick-or-treaters” sent chills down my spine and reminded me of the most frightful man ever to be associated with Halloween: Jack Chick.

While you may not recognize the name, if you’ve ever used the restroom of a truck stop then you’ve probably seen his work. Chick produces tracts and comics that look like work that R. Crumb would have produced had he attended Bob Jones University. For over twenty years the tracts have been used to spread such Christian messages as Catholics are going to hell and that the Holocaust was a Jesuit-led inquisition against the Jews.

To me, though, Chick is not just another anti-Catholic bigot. When I was a kid Jack Chick was the man who was responsible for more nightmares than the Twilight Zone and Kolchak: The Nightstalker combined. Chick not only scared the hell out of me, he made me afraid that hell was all around me.

While his comic books are less well known than his tracts, they were a primary source of literature around my fundamentalist church. In a typical display of twisted '70s fundie logic, our congregation believed that comics about Satan and the occult were more wholesome than reading about Spiderman or Archie and Jughead.

exorcists.bmpOne comic that still gives me the creeps is “Exorcists”, a tale of young boy who prays to Satan and becomes possessed after falling asleep. Being a Christian I knew that I didn't have to fear about demons taking over my body. But I wasn’t so sure about some of my heathen friends. Anyone who was sleeping over my house was quickly sent home for so much as mentioning a Ouija board or humming Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven.”

It’s been twenty years since Chick tracts damaged my fragile psyche but it appears that some otherwise well-meaning Christians are willing to subject a whole new generation to this horror. The Chick Publications website even has a list of “unique ways you can use Chick tracts this Halloween” such as:

When Trick-or-Treaters parade to your door this Halloween, drop a couple of Chick tracts in their bag, along with some candy. Or, to really get them excited, stock a tray with several different Chick tracts. (See suggested tracts.) When children arrive, place the tray in front of them and let them pick any two tracts. (Be sure to give them candy too.) Kids love receiving unique gifts, like cartoon tracts. And they love picking the ones they want. Your home could be their favorite stop of the night. With Chick tracts, you can witness to every child who comes to your door. Plus, they'll take the tracts home, where their parents will read them too!

Having to take a evangelism track in order to get a bite-size Snickers bar normally wouldn’t be such a bad tradeoff. But let’s take a look at one of the “suggested tracks” and what is being offered to impressionable children.

boo_01.gifBoo tells the story of students from Salem High who rent a cabin in the woods for their class Halloween party. Fortunately for them, thirteen people were murdered the previous Halloween so they get the place at a cheaper rate.

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A surprise? A keg of beer? A couple of fifths of whiskey? Some bottles of cheap wine? Nah, it’s not that kind of party. The kids at Salem High are into the newest trend…

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…sacrificing animals to Satan! Oh, and the dude with the pumpkin and the snake on a rope? That’s Lucifer himself. Why the devil needs a chainsaw, Chick never makes clear. I mean he’s got a snake on a rope. Isn’t that enough to do the trick?

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It appears Satan found his chainsaw after all. So now we have a high school kid ready to sacrifice a kitty while a pumpkin-headed demon reenacts the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Let me just say that if anybody were to drop this tract into my kid’s candy bag I’d be paying that house a return visit. And I’d be bringing my own snake on a rope.

The story takes a weird twist when Satan goes down to a village church. His chainsaw must have run out of gas because instead of trying to chop up a young kid he simply yells at him.

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Satan sure has some mouth on him, don’t he? Anyway, the next day the kid asks his pastor about Halloween. Oddly enough he forgets to mention that he went toe-to-toe with Lucifer the night before. The preacher gives the kid a brief intro to demonology before explaining the origin of Halloween.

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None of this, of course, is true. Halloween is the holiday equivalent of Wicca – a 20th century invention that pretends to have ancient pagan roots. Halloween has nothing to do with Samhain, a Celtic agricultural festival that marked the beginning of winter. There is also no evidence that Samhain was a celebration devoted to the dead or to ancestor worship, much less to kidnapping and human sacrifice.

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I think it’s safe to say that if the Lord hates Halloween then he must despise Chick tracts. When a well-intentioned but overzealous Christian gives these “comics” to a child it must be, as Chick would say, a “slap in the face.” If you are the type of person who does this on Halloween I only have one word to say to you: repent.

Irrational fear is an overrated motivational tool, especially when you're trying to win the hearts and minds of children. Just look at my example. Twenty years later I’m still creeped out by the thought of the Chick comics. While they might have had the intended impact – to scare the living hell out of me -- they did so by appealing to an unncessary fear of Satan. If a Christian really wants to show a child the light of God’s grace then they should do so by showing them God’s love rather than by giving them the hateful, disgusting, and demonically-inspired work of Jack Chick.

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Marybonita
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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2005, 05:38:AM »

Psyche:

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how in the world do you know what "gay" people dress as for Halloween?

 

They like to feature sodomite festivities on the news networks especially at Halloween.

 

Alf:

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And yes, hell is scarier than any of the decorations you see nowadays.

 

I like that one. And it's one of the reasons I don't really lecture my neighbors and families on the evils of Halloween - it gives them a preview of Hell which is something I think God gives us periodically to remind us of His wrath.

 

I never saw a Jack Chick tract before but that's pretty mainstream evangelical protestant scariness. So what's the difference between that and Catholic prudence? Catholics have a healthy respect for an angelic being who has greater intelligence than we do, hates God and who despises us with an unremitting diabolical fury. We don't trust him and Christ told us not to trust our senses.

 

In JMJ

 

 

 

 

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Reese
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2005, 12:46:PM »

Geez, I certainly hope that Chick tract article wasn't posted as a stab  at what is suggested here about taking back Halloween?  I can't  imagine any Catholic handing out such gibberish that would come close  to Mr. Chick's wasteland of idiocy. 
 
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