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vytis
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« on: October 22, 2005, 06:41:PM »

 

When she gets married an Orthodox Jewess must shave her head bald, and use a wig or a kerchief as a covering.

 

Also, since the Orthodox Jewish man must never see his wife undressed, even when having sex, she must be covered with a sheet (with a hole in the proper place).

 

Orthodoxy also sanctions marriages of cousin with cousin, and uncle with niece.

 

I also ran across the following article from the Associated Press wire dated February 14, 2002:

 

"She's appeared in hundreds of X-rated films. Now, Jew porn star Nina Hartley, decided to share her sexual insights with the adult education class at Temple Beth-Ami in Newhall, California...Nina plans to tell the class how to spice up their marriages."

 

The porn star was invited to speak at the synagogue by rabbi Mark Blazer, who said he 'met her thru a mutual friend.'

 

The above comes from the same people who give Catholics so much sex and marital guidance like...The late Ann Landers (Esther Friedman), Abigail Van Buren (Pauline Friedman), Margo (Dear Prudence) Howard, Dr. Ruth Westheimer, Dr. Laura Schlessinger, Dr Joyce Brothers, etc. etc.

 

Oy vey! I think I better stop, lest readers on this forum think I make this stuff up....  

 

 

 

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royalcello
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2005, 10:54:PM »

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[Jewish] Orthodoxy also sanctions marriages of cousin with cousin, and uncle with niece.


Well, that part isn't so shocking.  Rome granted plenty of dispensations for such marriages in the Catholic royal families of Europe, particularly among the Bourbons and Hapsburgs.  
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adf
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2005, 11:32:AM »

The hole in the sheet thing is an urban legend. Check out http://www.snopes.com/religion/sheet.htm for more info.
 
  As for the shaving of the head bit, I've never heard that, but some  Orthodox women do believe that they are supposed to hide their hair. I  have known of a couple who did this by wearing wigs, and I read about  one woman who wears a kerchief. I suppose shaving the head would also  serve as a means of hiding hair too, but isn't there an OT verse that  condemns shaving a woman's head?
 
 
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VoxClamantis
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2005, 02:02:PM »

The shaving of female heads and donning of wigs is very common amopng the Orthodox.

 

The "hole in the sheet" thing is definitely rumor as far as standard Jewish practices go. Found this for you, Vytis. From http://www.beingjewish.org/jewishemail/resp0429.html:

 

 


The following E-Mail came to me under the subject: What's up with the hole in the sheet?  

Dear Gil:

I have been asked by many non Jewish friends about a practice in which Jewish people have sex through a hole in a sheet. Is this an actual practice with some Jews, or just another example of a false Jewish stereotype?  

J    

Dear J:  

"Sex through a hole in a sheet?" Anybody who would hear something like this about Jews would have to wonder about us!  

Judaism's attitude toward sex is between two extremes. Judaism rejects the extreme of "anything goes" and also rejects the opposite extreme that sex is dirty or sinful. Instead Judaism imposes numerous restrictions on sexual relations, but also promotes regular sex between a husband and wife as healthy, worthy of enjoyment and a mitzvah (an affirming commandment.)  

As for sex through a hole in a sheet, I must confess I had never heard anything like that so I began to investigate. Tracking down information was not easy. Ultimately, I contacted 6 different rabbis. All 6 of them said they knew next to nothing about the practice--FYI, 4 of the rabbis where Orthodox. One of the Orthodox rabbis told me he had never heard of it.  

The other 5 rabbis told me they had heard some mention of this practice but that is about it. None of the rabbis had ever known anybody who actually practiced "hole in the sheet sex."  

Since I was already on the subject, I asked further, what would be the rational for this kind of sex? None of the rabbis knew. One guessed that it might have something to do with modesty or "tziniyut" since sex in the dark or at night is encouraged by some sources for modesty reasons. Another rabbi thought it might be some form of "negiah" taken to the nth degree. Negiah is a part of Jewish tradition that prohibits physical contact between a husband and wife if she is menstruating.  

Three of the rabbis told me that in their opinion, this alleged sheet practice would actually be a violation of Jewish law! One told me that Jewish law encourages full contact between a husband and a wife and even grants the wife permission to request full body contact...a sheet in the way would obviously cause a problem!  

Just to add a little (more) humor to this mystery, one rabbi told me that he speculated that this rumor may be a result of non-Jews seeing tzitzit hanging from the clothesline and assuming it was a sheet with a hole in it. (Tzitzit are the undershirt like garments with fringes on the four corners that many observant Jewish men wear beneath their shirt.)  

Rabbi number sixth I spoke to had the most plausible explanation to me. After racking his brain he called me back to say that perhaps the rumor comes from a little known Jewish divorce law that speaks of a spouse willing to have sex only through a sheet. This is considered so bad, that the other partner can cite "the sheet" as grounds for divorce--with no financial remuneration! In other words the law condemns such behavior.  

In conclusion, apparently having sex through a sheet is not practiced by Jews and indeed is a false stereotype. I am amazed that you say you have been asked about this practice by "many" non-Jews since all 6 of the rabbis barely knew what I was talking about when I asked them. Things in the rumor mill about what we Jews do must be getting pretty slow!  

If anybody out there can shed any more light on this subject, I welcome your E-mails. I suppose now I will receive all kinds of mail with questions and comments on the subject of Judaism and sex. I am sure, I won't be bored!  

Thanks for writing,  

Gil

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vytis
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2005, 04:40:PM »

 

All I can do is give you my source for the hole in the sheet bit, and it was written by an Orthodox Jewess (See especially page 123).

 

A Modern Woman Looks at Orthodox & Hasidic Judaism:The Hole in the Sheet, Evelyn Kaye, 1987, Lyle Stuart.

 

Like I said, I don't make this stuff up...Honest!

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Credo
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2005, 04:53:PM »

I am not gong to lie, Jews seem to be on the cusp of everything worldly and godless. The above mentions are fine example.

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VoxClamantis
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2005, 05:28:PM »

Quote from: vytis

 

All I can do is give you my source for the hole in the sheet bit, and it was written by an Orthodox Jewess (See especially page 123).

 

A Modern Woman Looks at Orthodox & Hasidic Judaism:The Hole in the Sheet, Evelyn Kaye, 1987, Lyle Stuart.

 

Like I said, I don't make this stuff up...Honest!

 

Oh, I know, Vytis! I know you wouldn't just make something up, friend! I've heard about the "hole in the sheet" thing before and all that; I just don't think there's any truth to it -- at least not insofar as it's being presented as "what Orthodox Jews typically do."

 

(Frankly, even if it were true, it wouldn't be a big deal to me. We do some things that can come off as "odd." I am more interested in Talmudism per se, the effects of usury, the anti-Christianism and twisting of History and such things... Your point about Jewish involvement in pornography is much more interesting and important.)

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Credo
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2005, 08:17:PM »

Hey, we could call them, "Sexperts"

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mrb
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2005, 06:55:PM »

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When she gets married an Orthodox Jewess must shave her head bald


False. There is no requirement that she does this. There is a tradition among some to do this. It may have started because it is easier to deal with a wig this way. But there is no requirement.

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and use a wig or a kerchief as a covering.


Yes. This is considered a part of modest dress in many cultures. Female Catholics today may only cover their head in church (if that), but in earlier years in many places they covered elsewhere also.

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Also, since the Orthodox Jewish man must never see his wife undressed, even when having sex, she must be covered with a sheet (with a hole in the proper place).


As others have pointed out, this is false.

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Orthodoxy also sanctions marriages of cousin with cousin, and uncle with niece.


In other words, they allow marriages that are allowed in the law that you believe God gave them, and which are like those of the patriarchs (Rebecca was Isaac's cousin (Gen 24:15). Rachel and Leah were Jacob's cousins (Gen. 29:5).), and which have been considered perfectly acceptable in most cultures for most of human history.

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I also ran across the following article from the Associated Press wire dated February 14, 2002:
 
"She's appeared in hundreds of X-rated films. Now, Jew porn star Nina Hartley..."


The AP used the phrase "Jew porn star"???
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VoxClamantis
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2005, 08:41:PM »

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I also ran across the following article from the Associated Press wire dated February 14, 2002:

"She's appeared in hundreds of X-rated films. Now, Jew porn star Nina Hartley..."


The AP used the phrase "Jew porn star"???

 

I imagine that wasn't a direct quote, but a paraphrase. For some reason, saying the word "Jew" as an adjective is considered "anti-semitic" by some people; the "-ish" at the end of "Jew" smooths things over a wee bit, somehow (Vytis is Lithuanian, BTW; I am not sure if his first language is English). But as to Jewish involvement in porn, you might be interested in this thread:

 

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=649633

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