U.N.: January 27 is Holocaust Day

[VoxClamantis]

From Yahoo News:

 

 
 

UN to designate January 27 as annual Holocaust day
 
By Evelyn Leopold
Mon Oct 31, 9:32 PM ET
 

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) -     Israel introduced a watershed resolution in the U.N. General Assembly on Monday that designates January 27 as an annual commemoration day for the 6 million Jews and other victims murdered in the Nazi Holocaust during World War Two.
 
The measure, expected to be approved on Tuesday by consensus, rejects any denial that the Holocaust took place. It also urges members to "inculcate" future generations with the lessons on the genocide so it would not be repeated in the future.
 
"I feel moved and privileged to present this historic resolution today, as an Israeli, a Jew, a human being and the child of Holocaust victims," Israel's U.N. ambassador, Dan Gillerman, told the 191-member General Assembly.
 
The General Assembly has often been accused of anti-Semitism and persistent concentration on the plight of Palestinians. The Holocaust was largely ignored until January when the assembly held a session to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the death camps.
 
U.S. Ambassador John Bolton recalled that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said last week that Israel should be "wiped off the map."
 
"When a President or a member state can brazenly and hatefully call for a second Holocaust by suggesting that Israel, the Jewish homeland, should be wiped off the map, it is clear that not all have learned the lessons of the Holocaust and that much work remains to be done," Bolton said.
 
The resolution, first proposed by the United States, Israel, Russia, Australia, and Canada was co-sponsored by nearly 100 nations from every continent.
 
 
 
'DARKEST CHAPTER IN HISTORY OF GERMANY'
 
But none of them were Middle East Arab countries, although some are expected to speak in favor before the debate ends.
 
Germany's U.N. Ambassador Gunter Pleuger called the Holocaust "the very darkest chapter in the history of Germany" marked by "the silent terror of the camps."
 
"At a time when the last personal witnesses of the Holocaust are leaving us, it is especially important to find new ways to keep the fate of the victims alive in the memory of the world -- and to keep on asking how such crimes could ever be committed," Pleuger said.
 
The resolution asks all countries to reject any full or partial denial of the Holocaust and condemn "all manifestations of religious intolerance, incitement, harassment or violence against persons or communities based on ethnic origin or religious belief, wherever they occur."
 
The foreign ministers of France and Romania recalled the dark past of collaboration. An estimated 76,000 French Jews and 25,000 Romanian Jews were deported to camps.
 
"If a crime analogous to genocide is not to happen again in the future, the flame of memory must not be extinguished and must be passed from generation to generation," French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said.
 
Romanian Foreign Minister Mihai-Razvan Ungureanu said his country, after the fall of Communism, was restoring its collective memory. The Holocaust "symbolizes for us the greatest tragedy human kind has ever known," he said.

 

The greatest tragedy human kind has ever known? That is what one would think, given how the media work.

 
Gillerman recalled that the     United Nations was founded on the ashes of the Holocaust and the commitment to "save succeeding generations from the scourge of war." The resolution described an "indelible link" between the world body and the "unique tragedy" of the war.

 

Just as an aside, while I was looking for a link about Stalin's starving of the Ukrainians, I came across this one from the National Review.

We will never know how many Ukrainians died in Stalin's famines of the early 1930s. As Nikita Khrushchev later recalled, "No one was keeping count." Writing back in the mid- 1980s, historian Robert Conquest came up with a death toll of around six million, a calculation not so inconsistent with later research (the writers of The Black Book of Communism (1999) estimated a total of four million for 1933 alone).
    
Four million, six million, seven million, when the numbers are this grotesque does the exact figure matter?

Can you imagine being able to say, "Four million, six million, seven million, when the numbers are this grotesque, does the exact figure matter?" when it comes to the Jewish "Holocaust"? Saying somethng like that in some countries will cause you to be imprisoned as a "denier."

 

[Marisa]

Just as an aside, while I was looking for a link about Stalin's starving of the Ukrainians, I came across this one from the National Review.

 

Here's a link for you, Vox:

http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/

 

[philipmarus]

From That website:

 

These series of pages are intended to educate the general populace about this little known event in Ukrainian history.

 

I wonder why it is so little known? I have cousins in the Ukraine which represent half of my ancestry. The obscurity of this little known event in comparison to the Holocaust really knaws at me.

 

 

[username]

 

 

I wonder why it is so little known? I have cousins in the Ukraine which represent half of my ancestry. The obscurity of this little known event in comparison to the Holocaust really knaws at me.

 

Especially when you consider that the Ukrainian massacre actually took place.

[HMiS]

Especially when you consider that the Ukrainian massacre actually took place.

 

The Shoah (a better name than "Holocaust") actually took place too. To deny the shoah is to be historically ignorant. But to dogmatize one specific number of casualties, as is done with the shoah of Jews by many post-war pressure groups, is historically wrong too.

 

But it is out of the question, that the shoah actually took place. To deny it is being naive, ignorant and foolish.

 

Even though I am critical about the way many pressure group present it, I am sure my grand mother did not lie about Jewish families over here being put on the trains, or being beaten to death in their own homes. It happened. Only 500 metres from where I live. It's easy to deny this in a distant brave new country like the US, but not so if you live in Europe.

 

I must add however, that by far it is not sure in which ways these millions of Jews perished in the concentration camps. In the 1950s they were said to have been burnt alive, then to be shot, since 1960 they were ALL gassed in gass chambers, which DID exist.

 

It is foolish to deny historical facts, likewise it is stupid to abuse historical facts to propagandize for your own ideologies (as do Zionists), because by instrumentalizing it a counterreaction might be to deny that historical fact.

[Varus]

 With you all the way, HMiS!

[username]

 

The Shoah (a better name than "Holocaust") actually took place too. To deny the shoah is to be historically ignorant. But to dogmatize one specific number of casualties, as is done with the shoah of Jews by many post-war pressure groups, is historically wrong too.

 

But it is out of the question, that the shoah actually took place. To deny it is being naive, ignorant and foolish.

 

 

I do not deny that something happened, but I do deny that the reality even remotely resembles what is taught as dogma.

 

There were many non-Jews who died in the camps, which were not simply places of mass extermination, as they are made out to be. Do you know how time consuming burning people is? Only an idiot would choose this path, if he actually wanted to get somewhere. Or how much gas is needed to kill as many as it is claimed were killed in these "chambers"? It is all a bunch of malarkey, mate.

 

How about the fact that 60 million died in Europe during this war, and that most of them were Catholics from France, Germany, Italy, and other countries. Even if we concede the 6 million mystical dogma (and I do not), that is only 10% of the total. If it was a Holocaust, the offering was from Catholic Europe, not from God's faithless former Chosen people. By Shoah, they mean something specific. I say what they specify is a lie. There was no Shoah, it was only God trying to soften their rock-hard hearts. The same may be said for why WW II was so devastating on European Catholics. We still have not listened, and He is still trying to get through.

[DominusTecum]

There are, as I understand it, undeniable statistics about the Jewish population of Europe, the Jewish immigrations from Europe to America and other countries from 1933-1945, and the Jewish population which was under the power of the Reich from 1942 (when the 'holocaust' is claimed to have begun) and 1945, when the allies liberated the Nazi-occupied areas, which proves by these "cold hard numbers" that there were nowhere near 6 million Jews in the region, and that still less were mass-murdered. In addition, the only "gas chambers" which have not been "recreated" later are some in camps that were occupied by the soviets for a decade before inspectors were allowed to see them. Ten years is more than enough time to build any kind of gas chamber and falsify any sort of evidence. On top of that, the Russians had a motive to do this, so that they could point their fingers at the Germans, lest people discover their own, far worse, atrocities.

 

 

[username]

Thank you DT, I was coming back to add an idea along those lines. Part of it was that if you take the number of Jews in the world before WW II, and then look at the numbers after, there is not a difference anywhere near 6 million. I believe many of the Jews who "disappeared" from Europe, simply went to the Holy Land, which had been promised to them after WW I by Lord Balfour, et alii.

 

Some died, it is true, and their killers committed murder. However, many people miss the point that the entire temporal conflict in the modern world is not between good and evil, but between two main (and other minor) groups that are equally antithetical to the Faith. After WW II was over, then the victor could safely move forward implementing their version of godless humanitarianism. WW III will also be about the struggle between these forces to dominate the entire earth.

[Brennus]

Oh dear, now I am a victim.

Jan. 27 is my wedding anniversary. What am I supposed to do?:clink::cry:

I have some eye-witness stuff about the holocaust from relatives who were veterans. One was a European relative by marriage, an Italian, who had immigrated to the U.S. and later fought against Germany and was among the troops who liberated Dachau. He had pictures. He was not a liar. Another set of inlaws lived in Germany during the war and described their experiences during Kristallnacht. I also know some Germans . . . but I don't want anyone to get thrown out of the country so I'll leave it at that (only one guy might still be alive anyway) and say, I know some stuff.

The Holocaust did happen. It probably did not kill 6 million. It is uncertain if there ever was any sort of order given to start systematically exterminating all the Jews HOWEVER, they were systematically killing them in at least some camps.

Personally, I don't find the gas chamber too difficult to believe, but it was probably not used everywhere.

Remember, the Third Reich did condone and carry our euthanizations before the war had even begun.

I sometimes doubt Hitler himself gave a whole lot of thought to what was going on in the camps. He was too busy designing buildings and listening to Wagner.

Brennus