Trinity Broadcasting Network.

[Deogratias]

Mannn, this hits home for me, because my mom watches TBN alot, and she thinks Hinn is great.  I cant stand the station, everytime I hear it seems they're talking about sowing your seed, or "what God can do for you!", sometimes almost sounds like "what God owes you."  Alot of times it just sounds like their giving pep talks.

 

I noticed something about Benny Hinn.  If you watch his crusades, it seems like the crowd just gets hypnotised.  Many elements of his crusades are hypnotic: lighting, repetitive music, voice tonalities he uses, very similar to a stage hypnotist.  You'll see him, when he brings people on stage, giving them preliminary commands, telling them to stick out your hand, walk across the stage and back, etc.  These are all hypnotic strategies.  The thing that convinced me though, is when he has people on stage and makes them fall to the floor, you'll never see him do it to a child (under 5 or so).  You'll see a little girl go up on stage with her parents and the girl is mumbling how her foot is healed, and he'll tell her walk around the stage, then he goes up to the parents who are crying and makes them fall, but never the children (again young children).  Its a psychological reason, I think its too early in the childs mental development.  If it's really the Holy Spirit, would it matter what age a child is?  Wouldn't even a child be overwhemled if "touched by the Holy Ghost?"  I dont know, corrent me if I'm wrong.  I've read a little on hypnosis but do not commend it.

 

 

[kzarah]

Have you see the Prophetess Juanita Braun on TBN?  She is very entertaining.  Also, you have never heard a testimony of faith until you have heard Jan Crouch's story where chicken was healed.  I think that it had been hit by a car or attacked.  It is very moving. LOL

Daniel

 

[Credo]

Besides Fulton Sheen I have seen Fr. Manning from San Bernardino.  I wonder, what the hell is he doing on TBN?

 

". . . and you'll never have to say, "hail Mary," ever again.  You'll never have to crawl to an altar and kiss the toe of St. Peter."  John Hagee.

 

     I would love to meet John Hagee and asking him, "Say you are so good at recognizing sin in others, what does the Bible say about gluttony?"  "You look like you know your way around a cheese burger and shake." 

 

     Speaking of Rod Parsley, I believe he is the one who has a program called Breakthrough Ministries.  He is the one that has an organist that punctuates his sentences.  I didn't know about him selling any herbal health formula.  However, the other night I was flipping through the channels and caught an infomercial hosted by Leroy Jenkins, (the Elvis impersonator minister) selling miracle water.  Look it up on Google.  I have never seen anything so bizarre.  Of course as all evangelical ministers he an accent like Jed Clampet on the Beverly Hillbillies or Deacon Bill on EWTN.  It seems that African Americans are the target for this guy.  He had testimony after testimony from people who were heal and became rich by using his

miracle water.  

Daniel

 

 

       Here is the deal with TBN, the only worthwhile shows in my opinion are The Way of the Master and D. James Kennedy's telecasts. Every now and then, they will have on a good Christian scientist who will do a fairly good job of talking about Creation. But even these shows have not a few problems with them!

       I thought the same thing about Fr. Manning, what a shame. Then what do you expect from NO priests?

       TBN also has a whole lot of other odd folks on it too. Take, for instance, any of the female ministeress. They come across as controling people. Based on their demeanor alone, one can see why the Church has banned female priests .

[MauricePinay]

could you please expand a little more on this for me? you've sparked my interests a bit.

... it seems that the idea is based on the kabbalah and has been dressed up a bit.

 

That's more or less how I see it. A variation on a theme.

 

The concept of "Bible codes" is Gnostic (which implies salvation by secret knowledge known only by the elite). The Kabbalists claim that their tradition is from God but was kept secret from the common folk and only known by the rabbis, being passed along as an oral tradition. They claim that the plain, literal reading of Biblical scripture is of little to no use, and that to truly understand scripture one must study with a rabbi who knows the codes that reveal the "secret meanings" of the texts.

 

Kabbalists have formulas which they use--assigning a number to each letter of the alphabet, changing one letter for another, moving letters around, etc. If one looks at it objectively they can see that this is just a trick which they use to advance their ideas while connecting them to the authority of scripture--effectively making the Bible say what they want it to say.

 

Further, it creates a false sense of awe about the rabbis--that they have a deeper understanding of scripture than non-initiates.

 

Also, it makes the word of God of none effect. The Kabbalists negate the true, literal meaning of scripture for another meaning, usually exactly the opposite of the true meaning.

 

 

In accordance with their name, which is derived from a word meaning "to receive", the Cabbalists claimed to possess a secret doctrine received by way of tradition from Moses, to whom it had been revealed on Mount Sinai. They maintained that all earthly things had their heavenly prototypes or ideals; they believed that the literal sense of Scripture included the allegorical sense, as the body includes the soul, though only the initiated could reach this veiled meaning.

 

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05692b.htm

 

 

 

All these esoteric doctrines of the Kabbala are supposed to be contained in the Hebrew Scriptures, in which, however they can be perceived only by those initiated into certain hermeneutical methods. The following are the three principal methods of discovering the heavenly mysteries hidden under the letters and words of the Sacred Text:  

• The Temurah (change) by means of which each letter of the Hebrew alphabet is interchanged with another, according to some definite process, as when Aleph, the first letter, becomes Lamed by interchange with the twelfth, the second, Beth, becomes, Mem, the thirteenth, etc.; or as, when the last letter takes place of the first, the last but one takes the place of the second, etc.;

 

• the Gematriah (Gr. gemetria), which consists in the use of the numerical values of the letters of a word for purposes comparison with other words, which give the same or similar combinations of numbers: thus in Genesis 49:10, "Shiloh come" is equivalent to 358, which is also the numerical value of Mashiah, whence it is inferred that Shiloh is identical with Messias;

 

• the Notarikon (Lat. notarius), or process of reconstructing a word by using the initials of many, or a sentence by using all the letters of a single word as so many initials of other words; for instance, the word Agla is formed from the initials of the Hebrew sentence: "Thou (art) (a) Mighty (God) forever."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08590a.htm

 

   

 

i dont recall st.jerome saying anything about these codes!

 

Well said!

 

[TheSmilingIrishman]

isnt the 'omega code' somethin' cheezey

 

       Big time! From the parts that I have seen, the Anti-Christ is, guess-who?.?.?.?. THE POPE! Who woulda' thunk it? Anyone seen John Hagee's Escape From Hell?

       As for the Prot. "bishops," I love it how the black one's wear clericals, with the collar and all!

       My all time favorite is the channel INSP. When Rod Pasley (Pasty?) is not selling some herbal health formula, they go on and on about "Sowing you seed." Why, if you give only a little bit of money to INSP, God, like some Heavenly slot machine, will match your giving with Blessings. What a deal!

[TheSmilingIrishman]

I am new at answering this type of forum, so please bear with me. I hope all on this list will pray for the conversion of those like John Hagee, as well as the various prot networks, such as TBN, INSP, LeSEA, and EWTN (I think Mother Angelica's intentions were good but EWTN has become so ecumaniac with the likes of Mitch Pacwa and the various other groups).

 

Hagee has shown his hatred for Holy Mother Church.  Those type love to get Catholics out of Holy Mother Church (which Hagee calls "counterfeit christianity") and into "the gospel" (protestantism).

 

Catholics nees to take back the vocabulary stolen by non-Catholics who call themselves Christian.  Christian, witness, evangelize belong to the One True Church alone.

 

Do you notice so many "electric clergy" preach a different "gospel" for non-Jews and another for Jews--that Jews do not need the Gospel (the One Holy Catholic Church in reality), that they are saved under the Old Covenant, but that all the rest (Gentiles) need the message of their particular group? 

[Credo]

I am new at answering this type of forum, so please bear with me. I hope all on this list will pray for the conversion of those like John Hagee, as well as the various prot networks, such as TBN, INSP, LeSEA, and EWTN (I think Mother Angelica's intentions were good but EWTN has become so ecumaniac with the likes of Mitch Pacwa and the various other groups).

 

Hagee has shown his hatred for Holy Mother Church.  Those type love to get Catholics out of Holy Mother Church (which Hagee calls "counterfeit christianity") and into "the gospel" (protestantism).

 

Catholics nees to take back the vocabulary stolen by non-Catholics who call themselves Christian.  Christian, witness, evangelize belong to the One True Church alone.

 

Do you notice so many "electric clergy" preach a different "gospel" for non-Jews and another for Jews--that Jews do not need the Gospel (the One Holy Catholic Church in reality), that they are saved under the Old Covenant, but that all the rest (Gentiles) need the message of their particular group? 

 

       Yup, they are quite the fans of the Jews. This is really hard for me to understand, the Prots. affinity for all things Jewish. But even when they do this, they do so selectivly. For instance, yesterday I saw a Prot. minister who dedicated his whole show to why musical instruments should not be used in worship (read: Prot. hand-swaying). Only New Testament passages would do, because the Pslams say otherwise. Yet, "God has given the land of Israel to the Jews." This last position can only be found in the Old Testament. Pick and choose, pick and choose....

[TheDegu]

 Well, part of the reason for that is the simple fact that Protestants need to rationalize away the existence of the Church, the prophetic fulfillment of what was only foreshadowed in the earthly kingdom of Israel. If they dared believe God established a tangible Church, then they are faced with the falsehood of their concept of the 'invisible church' of 'common spiritual fellowship' and then end up Catholics. They sidestep by equating the modern state of Israel with Christ's prophecies of the coming age. This is why so many fall into neocon politics and the like, while Catholics have overall been cooler on it through the last 50 years. It goes downhill from there....

[Credo]

 

 Well, part of the reason for that is the simple fact that Protestants need to rationalize away the existence of the Church, the prophetic fulfillment of what was only foreshadowed in the earthly kingdom of Israel. If they dared believe God established a tangible Church, then they are faced with the falsehood of their concept of the 'invisible church' of 'common spiritual fellowship' and then end up Catholics. They sidestep by equating the modern state of Israel with Christ's prophecies of the coming age. This is why so many fall into neocon politics and the like, while Catholics have overall been cooler on it through the last 50 years. It goes downhill from there....

 

       That brings up a good question. Namely, how do they justify supporting our "Jewish bothers" in their error when St. Paul, whom Prots. rightly love to quote, taught quite an exclusive Salvation by Christ alone?

[TheDegu]

 Nothing stops them from blowing off "Thou art Peter" and "This is My Body." Protestantism, for all its blustering, is just another case of manmade ideology taking place of the Bible and, ultimately, Christ Himself.