mortal sin to venially sin becuase its only venial

[brogan]

I've long had a theory that it was a grave matter to venially sin on  purpose because it's only a venial sin. What I mean is to decide that  this venial sin is going to be part of your day in day out life because  it's "only venial", that decision to me seems gravely immoral.
 
  "I'm going to tell little lies every single day and make no effort not  to because it's only a venial sin" or "I do not even want to stop  swearing because its only venial". Basically if someone is deciding to  make this venial sin a part of their life from this point until death that decision to me seems  like a mortal sin.
 
  Btw, I'm not saying something Jansenistic like "if you don't make every  possible effort trying to not venially sin that is a mortal sin".

  What do you think?
 
 

[miss_fluffy]

I agree, not that I'm any authority on the matter.  In my  experience, it seems that venial sins are easier to fall into.  I  grew up swearing out of habit and it's hard to catch myself doing  it.  I know it's best not to swear, and I certainly make an effort  not to do it.  I fall into laziness and sit around watching tv,  something I see as sinful, yet it's force of habit keeps catching me  off guard.  It seems that if I were to overly concern myself with  these venial sins I could also fall into problems with scruples, and  just feeling guilty all the time.
 
 

[Extraecclesiamnullasalus]

interesting ive never thought of it that way.
 

[DominusTecum]

I do NOT think that it is a mortal sin to think about a venial sin, recognize that it's a sin, and then do it. A venial sin, is a venial sin, is a venial sin. No amount of venial sins stacked together will ever equal a mortal sin. A venial sin opens the soul to mortal sin, will lead one in, and makes it much easier to do. Example: It may only be a venial sin to eye the figure of a passing girl, with no lust in the heart. However, this lack of custody of the eyes leads one directly into the mortal sin of lust, and it's a slippery slope.

 

A sin of any kind, as I understand it, requires knowledge that it's a sin, the WILL to do it, and the fact that the action in question is a sin. Therefore, a sin of, say, "the little white lie," would be a venial sin, and included in that would be that it is known and wilfully done. If one had a lifestyle of little white lies, that would be very bad, simply because one takes one's salvation into one's own hands by opening oneself to these huge temptations... playing on the top of the slippery slope, so to speak. One would be greatly tempted and much more likely to fall into the mortal sin of larger lies. However, in and of itself, the commitment to commit this venial sin every week, or every day, or three times a day, will never of itself be a "mortal sin."

[username]

A deliberate venial sin is just that: deliberate and venial. It should be noted that deliberate venial sins prepare the way for mortal sin. They weaken our charity, watchfulness, etc., until we lay down in the bed we have been consciously preparing for ourselves.

[brogan]

Ok I dont think you guys understand what I'm proposing here.
 
  On Monday  you make a plan to call up your boss the next day and cuss him out. You  decide right then and there that you do not care that it is wrong to do  because it is only a venial sin. You further decide that you are going  to go throughout your life and make no effort whatsoever to not cuss  people out. Its not going to keep me out of heaven you think. "I've  found a loophole, I can go around acting as unchristian as I want as  long as its not mortally sinful." This decision on Monday is in  and of itself a sin. That goes without saying. It's purely speculative  on our part as to whether this action on Monday is mortally or venially  sinful.
 
  Then on Tuesday you do go cuss out your boss. You also do this type of thing on Wednesday Thursday and Friday to other people.
 
  Here is what I want to make clear. Your sin on Tuesday (the act of  cussing this man out) is venial. I am not saying that this has somehow  become a mortal sin. This sin considered in and of itself is only  venial.
 
 But your sin on Monday (I will do this type of thing  because it is only venial) is a separate sin unto itself. That act of  presumption is either mortal or venial. I have a suspicion that this  action on Monday is such a grievous mockery of God that it may be  gravely immoral.
 
  The distinction must be made between to two sins  being committed here.. Of course venial sins never become mortal sins.  What I'm really asking is can the sin of presumption to make certain  venial sins a part of your day in and day out life because they are  "only venial" (a mockery of God really) be in itself a mortally sinful action?
 
  Tuesday's actions won't get you put in hell but could Mondays?

[AdoramusTeChriste]

What I'm really asking is can the sin of presumption to make certain venial sins a part of your day in and day out life because they are "only venial" (a mockery of God really) be in itself a mortally sinful action?

Tuesday's actions won't get you put in hell but could Mondays?

The sin of presumption is not what you outlined. The sin of presumption is presuming salvation in spite of sin, as Protestants do. It does not lie in the jurisdiction between mortal and venial sin. Last I heard, it is a sin against the Holy Ghost and always serious. 

 

I suppose, if you go out of your way to deliberately annoy people day after day for your own sport and not for any other purpose such as to save their souls, you are treading on thin ice since the ice will eventually break and lead to an abyss.

 

Such a soul needs to be under the guidance of a good spiritual director. The potential for immense charity is just waiting to be brought forth if one can think one's actions through that far. It is only one more tiny step to virtue.