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Author Topic: Brave New World anyone?  (Read 712 times)
kjvail
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« on: December 08, 2005, 07:45:AM »

Israelis to be allowed euthanasia by machine
By Tim Butcher in Jerusalem
(Filed: 08/12/2005)

Machines will perform euthanasia on terminally ill patients in Israel under legislation devised not to offend Jewish law, which forbids people taking human life.

 

 

A special timer will be fitted to a patient's respirator which will sound an alarm 12 hours before turning it off.

Normally, carers would override the alarm and keep the respirator turned on but, if various stringent conditions are met, including the giving of consent by the patient or legal guardian, the alarm would not be overridden.

Similar timing devices, known as Sabbath clocks, are used in the homes of orthodox Jews so that light switches and electrical devices can be turned on during the Sabbath without offending religious strictures.

Parliamentarians reached a solution after discussions with a 58-member panel of medical, religious and philosophical experts.

"The point was that it is wrong, under Jewish law, for a person's life to be taken by a person but, for a machine, it is acceptable," a parliamentary spokesman said.

"A man would not be able to shorten human life but a machine can."

The bill, which was approved at the third and final reading in the Knesset by 22 votes to three with one abstention, will become law next year.

Danny Naveh, the health minister, described the passing of the law as a historic moment, saying: "This is one of the most important laws passed by the Knesset. It represents major moral value for the terminally ill and their families."

It is expected that elderly Israelis will begin to leave "living wills" in which they stipulate whether they would allow the new euthanasia procedure to apply to them if they were to end up in hospital, dependent on a respirator and suffering from a terminal disease.

 


 

So which legistlator read Brave New World and thought it was a "how-to" manual?

 

Sick sick sick.

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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2005, 08:59:AM »

Only machines can kill people? So I guess guns are OK too?  Or is that not a machine.  Or is it only machines that you don't have to touch while they kill?  So can I use a remote-control gun?
 
 I can only imagine the arguments around this :-)  But of course euthanasia was important enough that the discussions were required.
 
 So, if I was in a Catholic hospital in a vegetative state with little prospect of getting better, what would I expect a Catholic doctor to do with me?
 
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2005, 09:52:AM »

It is interesting that they don't consider the consent to turn the machine on as "killing someone."   What hypocrisy.

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2005, 10:11:AM »

Can we say . . . p - h - a - r - i - s - e - e
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2005, 10:14:AM »

This makes me think of my dear poor maternal Grandma who is suffering through terminal cancer right now.

 

There is so much dignity in dying like this, she suffers through patiently with little complaint.  If these people had an ounce of faith, they could buck up and offer it up!

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2005, 10:38:AM »

Quote from: miss_fluffy

  If these people had an ounce of faith, they could buck up and offer it up!

 
  What faith? The vast majority of "Jews" in Israel are basically atheists with a knish
 
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2005, 11:02:AM »

Quote from: mattc
Only machines can kill people? So I guess guns are OK too?  Or is that not a machine.  Or is it only machines that you don't have to touch while they kill?  So can I use a remote-control gun?

       You can if you have one of those kosher timer thingies. 

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2005, 11:07:AM »

This is about the epitome of pharisaical actions... They adhere to the letter of the law, but not the spirit of it. It continues to amaze me how they think this sort of thing is A-Ok.

 

"sabbath timers," "sabbath ovens," and now we've got "sabbath killing machines." I think that even Caiaphas might have been a little upset.

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2005, 11:39:AM »

Quote from: Jadesfire20
Quote from: miss_fluffy

  If these people had an ounce of faith, they could buck up and offer it up!



What faith? The vast majority of "Jews" in Israel are basically atheists with a knish

Good Point!  I guess it doesn't work if you deny there's anyone to offer it to!

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Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.– Buddha

Note: According to this precept, I find that Buddhism is NOT true.  I have tested and judged many things, and the only Truth I have found is in God's One True Church: The Catholic Church.

Dear Lord, I know I can live by Your Holy Will every moment of my life, because You have given me faith that Your Grace will enable me to.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2005, 11:56:AM »

Pharisaic law-obsessed murder machines, you mean.

 

Yes indeed, even Caiphas would have been horrified.

 

This is really the most absurd thing I ever heard of. A weird combination of the hate of life and God combined with talmudism.

 

 

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