So, I'm not much of a debater, but Gottcha? How did you get me?
I meant "gottcha" as in "I see, you say these men speak nonsense."
I know there are many scientists that have theories that support heliocentrism
Ptolemy wasn't a heliocentrist.
But ultimately, these are just names of guys with ideas. You have to show me how their ideas work to convince me.
Because astronomy is not one of my better subjects, I know very little.
So how can you say that they spoke nonsense? Get yourself a copy of Ptolemy's Almagest. Read what Tycho Brahe had to say. Study Copernicus. Find out how Kepler improved upon Copernicus' theories. Study them before you pontificate about what nonsense it is. They are readily available used and new. You will most likely find copies with commentary to help you get through them.
And by the way, you still haven't revealed to us how Scripture supports Geocentrism.
But what I have learned regarding centers, relativity, that sort of thing, are obviously conjecture. And there are always new variables thrown in as we discover new things, that throw everything out of whack.
Yes, there are always new variables. Newton's theory about gravity, for instance threw the whole existing heliocentric theory into new territory. Suddenly, the motion in the heavens wasn't about heavenly bodies moving in perfect circles. It was about principles of physics such as mass and force.
But these things aren't mere conjecture. They are based on appearances and mathematical principles. They are theories, but not the same as conjecture.
I remember reading something recently about some kind of quarks that have been found that mysteriously place the earth at the center of the universe. If science discovered that the earth is definitively at the center of the universe, how do you think that would effect people who currently don't believe in God? I think it would cause them to question everything they think.
Since heliocentrism isn't based on a belief that God doesn't exist, I don't think that it follows that they would question their agnostic beliefs if we somehow were able to discover the real motion of the heavens. The only way for us to prove one theory over another is to step outside of the universe and observe it from an objective standpoint, or if God Himself reveals it to us.
