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[gladius_veritatis]

Oddly, the words attributed to me in the above quote were not actually written by me. I know it sounds crazy, and that I have posted so much lately that one could argue that I simply lost track, but I am positive I never said such a thing, in such words.  I grant it may have been something similar, but not that.

 

Thanks for the correction, Arab Catholic.

[piusx1914]

 

Due to their alienation from the Holy Roman See, the Orthodox have in some cases slipped in moral error.

 

 

You also make a good point, ArabCatholic.  There is a pretty wide spectrum of Orthodox (as there is Catholic these days).  The Greek Orthodox are pretty liberal and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) is pretty hard-core.  I suppose it depends a lot on the particular groups 

[piusx1914]

 

I don't know if this can truly be the case. For example, did the pre-schism Eastern church allow for Divorce and Contraception?

 

 

ArabCatholic,

 

If I recall, don't the Orthodox use what is refered to as the principle of Economy or Economia to get around things like divorce, contraception and etc.? 

[gladius_veritatis]

The practices of the Orthodox, therefore, are those of the first millennium Catholic Church.   So you are correct in asserting the reverse of my original idea.  

The first words of this quote from you, piusx1914, were wrongly attributed to me.  Arab Catholic accidentally left the quoting mechanism around my name.  You may want to see his response if you have not already done so.

 

I am glad things have taken a noticeable turn for the better among those of us who are here.  God speed to you, my friend.

[ArabCatholic]

The practices of the Orthodox, therefore, are those of the first millennium Catholic Church.   So you are correct in asserting the reverse of my original idea.  

The first words of this quote from you, piusx1914, were wrongly attributed to me.  Arab Catholic accidentally left the quoting mechanism around my name.  You may want to see his response if you have not already done so.

 

 

 

Ooops, Sorry gladius, I'll fix it.

[gladius_veritatis]

No worries at all, my brother.  I knew the words were not mine, but initially did not have the time to search for them.  It was an easy mistake, and no apology is necessary. 

 

Carry on, my good man.  Carry on.

[tradcatholicmom]

 

Finally, I understand your point .

You're saying that in sensibility, and spiritual practice, Eastern Catholics (uniates) perceive the "Orthodox" as their spiritual brothers, although they differ dramatically in their submission to Roman authority. I think you're saying they perceive the variance with their separated brethren as a matter of strict canonical unity, but de-emphasize the dogmatic matters. 

 

You are against the apprehension that some  voice for "Orthodox" spiritual practices, and by extension, Eastern Catholic practices (Uniate), which are not the central issue as it concerns the status of "Orthodox".  You would like for people to appreciate and respect the spirituality and liturgical practice of Orthodox, but do not condone the heresy and schism.

 

Finally! Golly gee whitakers!

You summarized my position very nicely, Immaculata, thank you! 

 

But you could have made it without insulting Traditionalists- Immaculata did.

 

The whole "I feel judged" whenever someone doesn't like what someoone else is saying is old.  If you have a point, bring it up without using the "I'm leaving" guilt card. 

 

If the spiritual practices of Eastern Catholicism are more important to you then the dogmas of the faith which are threatened in both Eastern and Roman Catholicism by the post-VII...I don't know what to say to that. 

 

And I do think the danger of thinking that the differences with the Orthodox are not that big are a BIG problem and in this time of crisis can easily cause people to fall into heresy and schism (by going with the Orthodox).  At our Eastern Catholic church in town, I know there has been several conversions to Orthodoxy, and usually more for "personal reasons" (I want to delve into "pure" Eastern Christian spirituality, Catholics aren't "welcoming enough", the differences aren't really that big (and thanks to Rome, they can now quote a Pope in that statement), etc.

[orangemetal]

i dont get the hostility and "littleness" of the Eastern Romans. I've used works and actions of St. Athanasius, St. John Chrysostom, and St. Augustine of Hippo interchangeably with those of St. Gregory the Great, St. Ambrose, St Thomas Aquinas, St. Ignatius and the like. East or West we are all Catholic/Universial. It comes down to faith and prayer. The prayers of both the East and West should be used by all Catholics. Though the Rosary is more necessary now (for the consecration of Russia) than the psalter does not mean that both cannot be used. We must unite in these things otherswise we will never rebuild Christendom. The Orthodox are a BIG part of what is going on right now and we need to help them convert, not be disrespectful to good Catholic prayers that they may be using and possibly be saved by.

 

Remember just to pray. (i have trouble with my daily prayers so pray for me too)

 

Kyrie eleison (hey that's Greek, isn't it?)

 

Dositheos (hey Greek again!)

 

 

[Kephapaulos]

Hey, pius1914, you just started something that has been helping the Eastern Catholic forum. :D

[piusx1914]

 

And I do think the danger of thinking that the differences with the Orthodox are not that big are a BIG problem and in this time of crisis can easily cause people to fall into heresy and schism (by going with the Orthodox). 

 

Even though there are some of us that do not agree with you, you are entitled to your opinion.