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Author Topic: Is Communion on the Hand a sin?  (Read 6783 times)
tradcatholicmom
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« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2006, 09:20:AM »

I didn't THINK I saw this link posted....if so, sorry.

 

This, along with Michael Davies' writings, is why I will never set foot in a church where Communion in the hand is served.  It doesn't take the scientific study that the author of this article did to show that what he is saying is true- just common sense.  Think of the last cracker you ate (not meaning any disrespect at all, just thinking of the thing that is closest in composition to a Host). 

 

http://www.sspx.ca/Angelus/2002_September/Communion_in_the_Hand.htm

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Mark
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« Reply #81 on: February 05, 2006, 09:36:AM »

In the early Church, if there was Communion in the hand during normal times, was it considered an accepted practice, or an abuse?

 

If 1000 years into the future, could someone reintroduce clown Masses as an ancient posture, based on a little bit of evidence of it from the 20th and 21st centuries, and assume it was an accepted practice?

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Defensor_Fidei
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« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2006, 11:06:AM »

Quote from: InquisitorGeneralis
Furthermore, in regard to the whole neo-Catholic thing, you'll notice that the definition included the word "might" or referred to what is "typical."  Your love for Mother Teresa and John Paul II, and your use of the phrase "pastoral region" firmly plants you in the neo-Catholic camp.

You used Nother Theresa in defense of your position..............does that make you a Neo too?

 

Would you explain what you think a pastoral region is and why the word is so offensive?

 

-DF

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gladius_veritatis
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« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2006, 11:08:AM »

Just noticed you arrived yesterday, DF.  Welcome.  Nice avatar.

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Defensor_Fidei
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« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2006, 11:18:AM »

Quote from: tradcatholicmom

I didn't THINK I saw this link posted....if so, sorry.

 

This, along with Michael Davies' writings, is why I will never set foot in a church where Communion in the hand is served.  It doesn't take the scientific study that the author of this article did to show that what he is saying is true- just common sense.  Think of the last cracker you ate (not meaning any disrespect at all, just thinking of the thing that is closest in composition to a Host). 

 

http://www.sspx.ca/Angelus/2002_September/Communion_in_the_Hand.htm

 

Thanks for the link.  I have seen that before.  Since unleaven bread was not universally established until the middle of the 11th century it would be interesting to calculate the amount of holy Eucharist that was mis handled by our priests.  

 

I am not for e use of EMHCs, so you wont get an argument out of me over that issue.

 

-DF

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Defensor_Fidei
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« Reply #85 on: February 05, 2006, 11:26:AM »

Quote from: Mark

In the early Church, if there was Communion in the hand during normal times, was it considered an accepted practice, or an abuse?

 

If 1000 years into the future, could someone reintroduce clown Masses as an ancient posture, based on a little bit of evidence of it from the 20th and 21st centuries, and assume it was an accepted practice?

Fortescue, Jungmann and Kurcharek demonstrate that CIH existed in the Church and if you study the history of the Litiurgy, reception on the tongue developed.  CIH was not an isolated instance like the Clown Mass.  CIH was in the Church for the first 7 centuries and was not an abuse.

 

-DF

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Defensor_Fidei
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« Reply #86 on: February 05, 2006, 11:38:AM »

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Break the argument down here: Defensor Fidei agrees that Communion in the hand is less good than Communion on the tongue (why?). But his argument seems to go like this: It was allowed in the early Church (a question of fact which has yet to be proved insofar as "Communion in the hand" is understood to be the regular way of doing things) so, therefore, it is not a sin."

 

IT is not a question of fact.  Taking the information we have provided by those who have studied the Liturgy, it is shown that CIH not just existed up through the 7th century, it is a logical use when you consider things like practicality leavened bread and the development of the rites.

 

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Obviously, there is nothing inherently sinful about touching the Host, or else one could never touch it for any reason, even so that good may come from it, such as rescuing it from Satanists or what not. But it is apparent from the recent past that Communion in the hand leads to desecration, to disbelief in the Real Presence, to a blurring of the lines between the ordained and royal priesthoods, etc. Knowing this is so -- knowing that Communion in the hand harms the proper understanding of the Faith and to desecration (dropped particles, etc.) -- to needlessly handle the Sacrament is sacrilegious, which is a sin.

 

I disagree with your opinion (in bold).  Reading the development of the Liturgy it is evident that disbelief in the RP was not the issue.  The issues of concern had to do with people abusing the sacrament by not eating it.

 

-DF

 

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gladius_veritatis
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« Reply #87 on: February 05, 2006, 11:44:AM »

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Reading the development of the Liturgy it is evident that disbelief in the RP was not the issue.   

Not so with the re-introduction of this practice by the heretics in the West (the "profoundly religious" Luther, et alii).  Their purpose was indeed to reduce belief in the RP and the sacrificial nature of the Mass, and it worked rather effectively. 

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Mark
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« Reply #88 on: February 05, 2006, 12:21:PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis
 

Not so with the re-introduction of this practice by the heretics in the West (the "profoundly religious" Luther, et alii).  Their purpose was indeed to reduce belief in the RP and the sacrificial nature of the Mass, and it worked rather effectively. 

 

 

 

 

Gladius, and wasn't it Bucer, one of the "Protestant reformers", who was famous for introducing this to help people realize that belief in the real presence , according to him, was superstition?

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InquisitorGeneralis
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« Reply #89 on: February 05, 2006, 12:23:PM »

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You used Nother Theresa in defense of your position..............does that make you a Neo too?

 

 


  I only used Nother Theresa (sic), b/c she's one of your heroes, not mine.
 

 


 

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Would you explain what you think a pastoral region is and why the word is so offensive?

-DF

 
  A Pastoral Region refers to a group of parishes within a particular  geographical area who collaborate with one another.  I object to  the term on the grounds that it is a novelty.  That, and I don't  like the way it sounds.  It reminds me of all those liberals who  wanted a "pastoral pope."
 
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