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tradcatholicmom
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2006, 04:08:PM »

Maybe this is a question for another thread, but...

 

Why is there all this trust for anything that is "natural" or "alternative".  And why is there this attitude that those of us who are "mainstream" are trusting dopes who just don't understand how we're actually being screwed over.

 

People who peddle alternative remedies make money too, and no level of proof or regulation is required, or at the least, very minimal.  They make their living off of bashing others, they put down on pills while advising vast amounts of supplements a day (which you can't buy from anyone but them or they won't be good).  And many natural remedies, such as homeopathy, have their roots in the occult. 

 

No, I don't trust everything the medical establishment comes out with, but I am more likely to trust them then Dr. Mercola et al. 

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2006, 04:28:PM »

Quote from: tradcatholicmom

Maybe this is a question for another thread, but...

Why is there all this trust for anything that is "natural" or "alternative".  And why is there this attitude that those of us who are "mainstream" are trusting dopes who just don't understand how we're actually being screwed over.

People who peddle alternative remedies make money too, and no level of proof or regulation is required, or at the least, very minimal.  They make their living off of bashing others, they put down on pills while advising vast amounts of supplements a day (which you can't buy from anyone but them or they won't be good).  And many natural remedies, such as homeopathy, have their roots in the occult.  

No, I don't trust everything the medical establishment comes out with, but I am more likely to trust them then Dr. Mercola et al.  


I agree with everything you said.  Wasn't there some "natural" diet pill that was killing people not too long ago because of the lack of regulation on production of these products?  I think it was L Triptophan (sp?)?  Just because something is natural, doesn't make it automatically wunerful. 

I guess the bottom line is to be well informed.  I've certainly had my share of go arounds with doctors and hospitals, but that doesn't mean I believe all doctors and medicine are bad.  I've found that MD's specializing in Internal Medicine are the best for family care and avoid Osteopathic doctors, jmho.  I wouldn't have traded my older sons' pediatrician for anything, he was that good.  He was also my pediatrician when I was a child. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2006, 06:11:PM »

I don't know if this will answer your question, but here are my thoughts.

 

First off, I clean the home of a woman who is a pharmaceutical sales rep. I have been working for her for 4 years, and it has been a real eye opener for me. She wines and dines doctors all over the state. This includes lavish dinners and parties, large and expensive gifts, cruises/travel, etc etc, all the while bombarding them with incentives to try the latest drug. They get perks to push new drugs onto their patients. This is absolutely standard practice. It's also highly unethical, IMHO.

 

Second of all, there are new drugs all the time. A doctor I know admitted to me that it is humanly impossible to keep up with all the info on the new drugs - they mostly rely on the pharmaceutical sales reps for that. It is a known fact that some reps will deliberately minimize the dangers of these drugs just to make a sale. Combine that with the the fact that doctors just can't keep up with the literature on each new drug, (just look at a drug advertisement in a magazine - the 2 to 3 pages of fine print is impossible for ME to get through, and that's for ONE drug!) and that's a recipe for disaster.

 

Thirdly, they are constantly finding severe long-term side effects after the fact. For 2 or 3 years you hear about the latest "wonder drug". Then all of a sudden there is a class action lawsuit because x% of people on the drug developed severe complications, or even death. The reality is that these drugs can be very dangerous, and they have absolutely no way of knowing all the long-term side effects. Furthermore, the AMA is constantly reversing their earlier findings. They'll come out and say that ingesting some food or supplement is tantamount to arsenic poisoning, and then 5 or 10 years later they will completely reverse their earlier findings.

 

As far as homeopathy, many of these things have been around for centuries, and were used long before drug companies took over the medical industry. Futhermore, most (not all) of them are completely harmless. The same cannot be said for prescription drugs. When I notice more and more that the side effects of the drug are worse and more dangerous than the actual illness you are attempting to cure, that's where I draw the line. Also, the medical/pharmaceutical industry is, for the most part, virulently anti-natural cure. Why? Because, IMHO, it takes money out of their pockets. There are countless studies proving the effectiveness and safety of homeopathic cures, yet they dismiss it out of hand. Medicine is no longer primarily a good ole' country doc who is genuinely interested in helping people (some doctors still are that way, of course - I am not condemning all doctors Smile ). Medicine = $$$. Pharmaceutical drugs = $$$. Most doctors and surgeons are paid obscene amounts of money for their services. It's about money, not concern. If it was about a genuine concern for people, there wouldn't be drugs costing $200 a prescription. The markup on prescription drugs is unbelievable. 

 

I am not saying I don't *ever* go to a doctor - I certainly do when the need arises. But I do not go uninformed, and I do not take the doctor's word as gospel, and I do as much research on my own as I can. I am in charge of my health, not the doctor.

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2006, 09:39:PM »

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If it was about a genuine concern for people, there wouldn't be drugs costing $200 a prescription. The markup on prescription drugs is unbelievable.

One of the reasons drugs cost so much, and doctor visits for that matter, is because of the astronomical amount of money awarded in lawsuits to sue happy Americans.  Malpractice insurance doesn't come cheap, particularly when these suits are awarded right and left.  We don't have a problem with high costs of drugs here in Canada, at least no where near as bad as in the U.S., because people aren't sue happy here...yet.  I don't even know if one is permitted to bring such lawsuits to court here.  I'd also note that if one does not have coverage through the government, it's rather cheap to obtain lab work, doctor visits, etc. 

People complain about the cost of meds and medical care, well you have the American public to thank in part at least for that.  It seems most want to get rich quick and a lawsuit is the quickest way to do that.  I never could figure out how someone can sue a drug company for "x" side affect resulting in "z" outcome when patients are given pamphlets at the pharmacy listing said side affects and possible harm.  I always double check at the pharmacy about medications, pharmacists are paid to know their medication, whereas a doctor is paid to know the human body. 

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2006, 11:00:PM »

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If it was about a genuine concern for people, there wouldn't be drugs costing $200 a prescription. The markup on prescription drugs is unbelievable.


One of the reasons drugs cost so much, and doctor visits for that matter, is because of the astronomical amount of money awarded in lawsuits to sue happy Americans.  Malpractice insurance doesn't come cheap, particularly when these suits are awarded right and left.  We don't have a problem with high costs of drugs here in Canada, at least no where near as bad as in the U.S., because people aren't sue happy here...yet.  I don't even know if one is permitted to bring such lawsuits to court here.  I'd also note that if one does not have coverage through the government, it's rather cheap to obtain lab work, doctor visits, etc. People complain about the cost of meds and medical care, well you have the American public to thank in part at least for that.  It seems most want to get rich quick and a lawsuit is the quickest way to do that.

The people who get rich (for the most part) off the lawsuits are the lawyers, particularly in class action suits. This is a part of the problem, but only a part. The pharmaceutical companies spend, on average, $13,000 per doctor per year promoting their drugs in the form of gifts, elaborate "seminars", dinners, literature, etc. Seems a bit unethical. A doctor should not be able to accept so much as a pen from a pharmaceutical rep. It's a conflict of interest, at best. All in all, drug companies are spending billions of dollars a year in advertising.

 

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I never could figure out how someone can sue a drug company for "x" side affect resulting in "z" outcome when patients are given pamphlets at the pharmacy listing said side affects and possible harm. 

 

They can because it isn't always possible to know the long-term side effects of these drugs. The FDA process to approve a drug takes 2-10 years on average. That is not always enough. Additionally, it is not unheard of for a drug to be "rushed" through FDA approval - a dangerous practice at best.

 

The bottom line here for me is while doctors are indeed trained to care for people, quite a few of them are nothing more than pill-pushers. You go in for high blood pressure, they put you on a pill. The pill they put you on has irritating side effects, so they put you on another pill to counteract the side effects. The pill they gave you to counteract the side effects causes depression, so they put you on an anti-depressent. The anti-depressent causes a few more unpleasant side affects, so they give you another pill to counteract those side affects. So by the time all is said and done, your high blood pressure has caused you to be on 4 medications. The blood pressure went down, but other health issues cropped up due to the meds. I can name at least 6 friends and family members all over the US who have had one illness turn into at least 7 long-term medications (long term meaning over 10 years), due to the side effects involved. It's crazy. One woman I know was up to 17 different pills at a time - most of them for side effects. Of course, her health is getting even worse (go figure!) so no doubt she will soon be on yet another round of various drugs. There is no way on earth that this is good for your long-term health.

 

The other problem is that once you are on these drugs (except antibiotics for the most part) you can pretty much bet you will be on them for quite awhile - if not the rest of your life. I haven't met a doctor yet who is in a hurry to get you off medication. (I'm sure they are around, they are just few and far-between Smile  )
 

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2006, 12:42:AM »

How is homeopathy rooted in the occult?  Just because it came from  Hippocrates, who I guess was a pagan, he was operating on natural  principals, and the scientific study of humans, not getting secrets  from the gods or anything.
 
  I do agree that there's alot of occult/vitamin happy crap out there  (reiki, crystal therapy, ayurveda, etc.)  Alot of the alternative  stuff is based on more christian type therapies.  Ear candling has  been used by Christians for centuries to clear dust out of the ears and  help the sinus passages.  Aromatherapy is almost entirely rooted  in christianity, going all the way back to the old testament.   Herbalism has also been widely used in the past by Christians before  the time of medicine.
 
  Acupuncture, homeopathy, chiropractic, osteopathics, and nutritional  therapies are all based on science.  While the angle from which  these sciences came from might be different from our modern western  world, they're not from the occult.
 
  No matter whether you're seeing your regular doctor or an alternative  therapist, of course it's best to double check their work, because  nobody knows your body, and your needs as well as your's truly.
 
  Of course, I have nothing against modern treatments/pharmaceuticals  either.  My Dad recently had a radical prostatectomy, I fully  supported his decision to go through with this procedure to rid himself  of cancer rather than try herbal medicine etc.  However, I did  disagree with his dependence on bladder control drugs afterwards, only  because I thought he ought to at least give acupuncture a try before  submitting his nervous system to such chemical bombardment.
 
  I too, take pharmaceuticals.  I have asthma and allergies, and  while alot of the nutritional information I have learned through  research helps, I won't go anywhere without my inhaler because there's  nothing like it when you just can't breath.  I also take a  prescription at night during the cedar/mold pollen season here in order  to keep me from getting sinusitus every month.  Things like  acupuncture, chiropractic, and nutrition help to alleviate certain  problems without side effects, but of course I would recommend looking  into alternative therapies and practitioners just as thoroughly as  anything else you entrust your body to.  When I was diagnosed with  fibromyalgia years ago, alternative therapy was my only option as  doctors had nothing for me but pain meds which eventually wrecked my  stomach.  To my surprise, the alternative therapies, along with  nutrition, and working on my soul, completely turned it all around for  me, because of that, I might be a little bias towards these  methods.  But nothing beats a regular old hospital for severe  illness, broken bones, appendicitis etc.
 
  And the thing about the mammograms, my only thought on it is that based  on what I have read, it seems to me that regular breast examination by  self and doctor is just as good or better, so I don't want to subject  myself to it.  It's possible I'm wrong, and if my choice brings me to a  quicker death, I couldn't say that I didn't do my best to figure out  how best to take care of myself.  And I mean hey, we all die someday  anyways.   I don't think God requires me to go through all this stress  and worry, painful testing, being poked and prodded and subjected to  embarrassing examinations, and pumping myself full of side-effect laden  and expensive pharmaceuticals in order to prolong my life.  I am  willing to make certain concessions for the sake of my health sure, but  I will never be the kind of person who pops pills, or has surgery just  because a doctor recommended it.
 
 
 
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2006, 08:27:AM »

This post quotes Sara, but it isn't just for her. She raised a really good point. Smile

Quote from: tradcatholicmom

 

 

 

 

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I do have to ask about your statment that I highlighted. First, there is no reason to assume that disinformation is being spread.


I don't know her opinion, but I can give you mine.  Most young women are told that the hormones that at least 50% of them are on have no connection with breast cancer.  They are told that they can safely put off childbearing until their early/mid 30's with no ill effects.  They are told that they can not breastfeed and it's an "equivalent" choice to formula (this from a formula feeding mommy!), and they are not informed of teh abortion/breastcancer connection.  The medical establishment will not admit these things, or maybe if they are directly confronted. As these things become more and more common, women are getting cancer younger and younger, and yet they are told that "young women don't get breast cancer".  But many girls start on homonal birth control in their teens, live the typical college lifestyle (which includes excessive alcohol much of the time, and a lousy diet to boot), and then put off childbearing to focus on their career.  Those are huge factors they are not informed of.

 

The "disinformation" I was referring to was the implicit allegation that information that is not pro-mammogram is disinformation. I was not referring to causes or treatments per se, although the possibility that mammography actually causes breast cancer is a real possibility. However, you point is well taken. The drugs that are routinely prescribed, bad health and lifestyle choices most definitely contribute to the rise in breast cancer and the aggresiveness of the disease. There is a word for this process of a patient being harmed by treatment; iatrogenic.

 

Does anyone remember DES? It is a perfect example of an iatrogenic treatment. DES is di-ethyl-stilbestrol, an estrogen. It was given to pregnant and post-partum women for morning sickness, threatened miscarriage, and as a "dry up" shot. Back in the day, mothers were actively discouraged from breastfeeding and were routinely given DES to dry up their milk before it came in. My mom had 4 of these shots, the first after my birth. Not only did it poison her system, but what about my younger siblings? I'm the oldest and my sister and I are 13 months apart. Since estrogen is stored in fat, it does not readily dissipate. Hence, my sister was exposed to this drug in utero, as were both my brothers. I worry that they are at increased risk for health problems because of their exposure to the drug.

 

All forms of estrogen are associated with breast cancer, whether they are natural or not. I am sure that this horrifying social experimentation in commercialized infant care contributed significantly to my mother's death as well as ill health in all American children born during the 1950's through the 1970's and into the 80's in some places. Who is to blame? The nurse who gave the shot? The doctor who ordered it? The hospital with the policy that all postpartum women were to be separated from their infant at birth and given DES to keep them from breastfeeding their infant? This one is interesting- policies are written by somebody and those somebodies in hospitals are doctors, and the policy was universal in the U.S. And what about the manufacturer of the toxic substance that has long been banned (a very slow process) as the long term effects became apparent.

 

Did you know that infant formula was only available by prescription when it first came out? I still have a copy of a script for enfamil that was written by my brother's doctor. He was one sick kid. Anyway, dry up shots were an easy way to ensure a hefty profit for the drug companies that were the sole manufacturers of infant formula. Looks mighty suspicious to me. As Jen points out, drug reps spend a fortune pushing their products to physicians who in turn prescribe the drug of the day to us until it is banned of its iatrogenic effect. The only difference between now and 30, 40, or 50 years ago is the increase in the number of the drugs being marketed and swallowed up by patients who don't bother to check out the adverse affects of standard medical practice.

 

Which reminds me, how is homeopathy occult? Sara?

 

And Reese, what is wrong with osteopaths (D.O.) at least as far as comparing them to M.D.s? They actually have to complete more hours of training than an M.D. I  our D.O.s.

 

What is it you like about the internal specialists for family health care? The doctor that missed my mom's lump was an internal med guy.

 

And speaking of my mom's docs, all the local ones she saw are dead. It is very weird and my siblings and I call it Nancy's Revenge. The Internal med doc died first, of lung cancer. Next, the surgeon who butchered her (there is no other way to describe it) drowned while swimming for exercise at the YMCA. Last, the gyn (she liked him best) died in the most bizarre accident. He was in the water fiddling with a jet ski battery and was electrocuted.  I have no idea how the oncologists that treated her have fared. We don't keep up with the news in the city where she went for treatments. However, the last time I saw a list of the oncology group, I only recognized one name.

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2006, 10:22:AM »

I just remembered the name of the drug that my mom was given when it was discovered that the breast cancer had metastasized to her bones. I was with her when she was told that if the drug was working, one of the side effects would be severe pain where the tumors were. She had the severe pain, but the drug was completely worthless. The disease continued to spread through her system rapidly.

 

It was Nolvadex. It is widely used today. Be sure to scroll down to read the safety warnings.

 

         

 

 

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2006, 10:25:AM »

Ok, quoting three people at once here, because I don't want to flood the thread. Smile

 

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Thirdly, they are constantly finding severe long-term side effects after the fact. For 2 or 3 years you hear about the latest "wonder drug". Then all of a sudden there is a class action lawsuit because x% of people on the drug developed severe complications, or even death.

 

But even that provides some level of regulation, which is completely absent in natural medicine.  And for every drug that gets publicized, there are many that went through safely and saved lives.

 

There was a boy here who died during chelaton therapy- a detoxification therapy designed to clear your system of metal.  Died of a heart attack.  They all swear it never happened before, but how do you know?  There is no accountability in the system.  They don't have to file death certificates, and usually don't provide follow up care.  If there are severe problems afterwards usually the parents would go to a mainstream doctor, and they may or may not tell what happened, especially if they believe there is no connection.

 

 

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Furthermore, the AMA is constantly reversing their earlier findings. They'll come out and say that ingesting some food or supplement is tantamount to arsenic poisoning, and then 5 or 10 years later they will completely reverse their earlier findings.

 

No disagreement here, and that is frustrating.

 

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As far as homeopathy, many of these things have been around for centuries, and were used long before drug companies took over the medical industry. Futhermore, most (not all) of them are completely harmless.

 

Even avoiding the occult/Eastern medicine background of homeopathy, I would disagree that most of them are completely harmless.  I would also argue that a lot of them are completely useless.  Because people who believe strongly in natural medicine also tend to wait until something is very serious to go to the doctor,  how much of it is the placebo effect or something curing itself on its own.  

 

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I am not saying I don't *ever* go to a doctor - I certainly do when the need arises. But I do not go uninformed, and I do not take the doctor's word as gospel, and I do as much research on my own as I can. I am in charge of my health, not the doctor.

That's the attitude I'm talking about...that those of us who *do* go into a doctor just nod our heads quietly and accept the doctor's word. 

 

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One of the reasons drugs cost so much, and doctor visits for that matter, is because of the astronomical amount of money awarded in lawsuits to sue happy Americans.  Malpractice insurance doesn't come cheap, particularly when these suits are awarded right and left.  We don't have a problem with high costs of drugs here in Canada, at least no where near as bad as in the U.S., because people aren't sue happy here...yet.  I don't even know if one is permitted to bring such lawsuits to court here.  I'd also note that if one does not have coverage through the government, it's rather cheap to obtain lab work, doctor visits, etc.    

 

I do not believe the whole "lawsuit" reason for the costs of medicine.  First of all, most people cannot afford to sue their doctors.  And second of all, 90% of lawsuits are filed against the same 5-10% of doctors.  This is where the medical establishment is at fault- they continue to allow doctors who are obviously incompetant to practice.

 

If every state had a directory, and each doctor was required to be in there, and you could go check out their vital stats- how manypatients they saw last year, how many patients died, C-section rate, do they perform abortions, any complaints filed, etc. then I believe the bad doctor/lawsuit problem would disappear fairly quickly. If the "average' amount of deaths for cancer specialists was 35 patients a year and someone in there had 60, you'd know not to go to them.  If you hire a contractor to build your house, you have a right to more info on that contractor then you do on your doctor.

 

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  The other problem is that once you are on these drugs (except antibiotics for the most part) you can pretty much bet you will be on them for quite awhile - if not the rest of your life. I haven't met a doctor yet who is in a hurry to get you off medication.

 

Actually, it seems to be quite the opposite.  You have no idea how hard my mother and FIL have had to fight to have basic pain management- the doctors don't want to "hook them" on drugs.  My mother has 3 kinds of arthritis and went years without proper pain management because "she just needed to try stretching" or "lessen the stress in her life" or "go get massage therapy".  My FIL has lupus.  He also experimented with drugs 30 years ago.  Doctor found out, took him a year to get prescribed any pain relieving drug at all other then low-dose Vicodin.  Many illnesses are tough to get appropriate treatment for because doctors have become very reluctant to prescribe drugs.  They want you to go home and treat a severe sinus infection with saline nasal spray and iburprophen, then wonder why you're back in a week.

 

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How is homeopathy rooted in the occult?  Just because it came from Hippocrates, who I guess was a pagan, he was operating on natural principals, and the scientific study of humans, not getting secrets from the gods or anything.

I do agree that there's alot of occult/vitamin happy crap out there (reiki, crystal therapy, ayurveda, etc.)  Alot of the alternative stuff is based on more christian type therapies.  Ear candling has been used by Christians for centuries to clear dust out of the ears and help the sinus passages.  Aromatherapy is almost entirely rooted in christianity, going all the way back to the old testament.  Herbalism has also been widely used in the past by Christians before the time of medicine.

Acupuncture, homeopathy, chiropractic, osteopathics, and nutritional therapies are all based on science.  While the angle from which these sciences came from might be different from our modern western world, they're not from the occult.
 

 

Any principle based on reversing the energies, or balancing the negative and positive influences, or what have you, is basedin occultic science.  Herbal treatment is not what I'm talking about here.  Homeopathy is.  I'd love to see any proof that aromatherapy is rooted in Christianity (although I think that mostly makes your house smell nice) and acupunture/acupressure came directly from Eastern cultures- I believe from Buddhist monistaries (can't spell this morning), who believe there are "energy points" in the body.  Anything that deals with energy forces is a tip off to the occult.

 

The other stuff, like chiropractic care, is in another catagory.  While I question whether or not spines can be "out of alignment", it's not occultic in nature.  It does seem, though, like people get addicted to it- most people who go to chiropracters have to go continually to get their neck adjusted, or back adjusted, or what have you.  Same thing you're accusing doctors of. Smile  How helpful is it? Are there any long-term negative effects?  No one studies it, because if it's natural, it must be ok, right?

 

And if you want to see disagreement, discuss dietary principles among people who believe in natural medicine.  Some push Atkins/low carb/sugar is evil.  Others push no animal products/ meat and fat is evil.  Others say all of it is ok, if you use the "right" kind (honey instead of sugar, etc.).  All have this mythical way as to "how our ancestors ate" which made them so healthy verses us.  I'm beginning to think the big difference is that we are a business society- our work is done indoors and very sedentary, and then we come home to mostly electronic entertainment, verses going out and working on the farm, or scrubbing the floors by hand, or what have you.

 

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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2006, 10:51:AM »

I read on another forum about 3 years ago that there are documents from the Church that condemn homeopathy.  I used to use it, but after reading some of the writings, I stopped using it.  It was about what Sara said, being related to occult practices.  I will try to find the source later today (or tomorrow). 

 

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