Translation please?

[CounterRevolutionary]

The following defenitions from the Fish Eaters Site seem vague to me, can anyone explain?

 

 

Jurisdiction refers to the authority exercised over a given area. Because priests of the Society of St. Pius X don't have (or claim!) ordinary jurisdiction in any diocese, and because jurisdiction is required in order for a priest to hear confessions, the Sacrament of Confession when offered by S.S.P.X. (and other traditional) priests is often labelled "invalid." But what the liberals and neo-conservative Catholics don't tell you is the S.S.P.X.'s defense: that there is such a thing as supplied jurisdiction which makes those Sacraments quite valid. Canon 144 §1 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law states:

In common error about fact or about law, and also in positive and probable doubt about law or about fact, the Church supplies executive power of governance both for the external and for the internal forum.

And Canon 844, §2 states:

Whenever necessity requires or a genuine spiritual advantage commends it, and provided the danger of error or indifferentism is avoided, Christ's faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister, may lawfully receive the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.

Canons 144 and 844 supply the necessary jursdiction, a genuine spiritual advantage commends it, for the hearing of Confessions, the latter even from non-Catholic ministers (sheesh!) whose Sacraments are valid, even if they are heretics who deny the truths of Vatican I (which the S.S.P.X. and other traditional priest uphold more than anyone in the Church today) and have been in true schism for a millenia.

[gladius_veritatis]

CR,

 

One must have no access to the normal supplier of jurisdiction, in this case the Pope (as the SSPX's apostolate is world-wide), in order to invoke these principles.

 

If you can approach him, and do not, or he says "no", you are out of luck on this point.

[CounterRevolutionary]

Im sorry Im still confused.

 

Does that mean that one can only go to the SSPX if there are no other Catholic Churches around? Even Novus Ordo.

[gladius_veritatis]

I am not touching that with a ten foot pole in a publicly viewed post outside the sede forum.

 

All I am saying is what I said above:  to invoke these principles, on a world-wide basis, in an habitual manner, when the supreme supplier of jurisdiction (the Pope) is easily approached, is tenuous at best, IMO.

[CounterRevolutionary]

Any non-sedevacantists want to take a wack at this? Pretend your talking to a  protestant who is 100% ignorant about Catholicism.

[Vincentius]

Extraordinary jurisdiction is supplied by Holy Mother Church through the principle of "ecclesia supplet."  There must exist a necessity (Canon 144) for this jurisdiction to be valid.  However, not everyone has recourse to this supplied jurisdiction and can claim to possess it validly.  Or else every independent priest and his brother can go and set up his own church and say it is catholic.  The faculty of hearing confession is not accorded to every priest, although a penitent who goes to confess his sins to a priest who has no faculties can obtain absolution through the principle known as "common error" -- taking the situation of a Catholic visiting a Catholic Church in another city considered schismatic but known to him as such and seeing a long line to the confessional, joins it and makes his confession.  On the other hand, "common error" cannot be applied if a Catholic knows or is aware that such and such a church is schismatic and goes to confession anyway expecting to be absolved of his sins.  He is not.  When there is doubt, don't.

That's my interpretation, though I am no canonist.

[gladius_veritatis]

I will take a whack, and did so, it is just that sometimes my whacks, if you will, even though having nothing to do with SVism, are taken to be an argument for it.

 

You deduced something before from my point, and I personally think it is an accurate deduction, except for this: one can never go to a schismatic Church in order to actively participate in the Mass, but they may approach them for the Sacraments, in danger of death, if there is no other option.

[CounterRevolutionary]

I appreciate your comments Gladius

[gladius_veritatis]

You are likely in a small minorty!

 

God speed, CR.