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Author Topic: Pizza Magnate Seeks Catholic-Governed Town  (Read 2282 times)
mattc
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« on: March 02, 2006, 12:19:AM »

I think this may have already been posted, but it's still quite interesting.  Domino's pizza, the ACLU, and a Catholic Jeb Bush.
 
 
                                                                     

            
             Pizza Magnate Seeks Catholic-Governed Town            

                                                                                             
                     

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press WriterWed Mar  1,  2:08 PM ET

                                        
 

If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan has his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an abortion, pornography or birth control.

 

The pizza magnate is bankrolling the project with at least $250 million and calls it "God's will."

 

Civil libertarians say the plan is unconstitutional and are threatening to sue.

 

The town of Ave Maria is being constructed around Ave Maria University, the first Catholic university to be built in the United States in about 40 years. Both are set to open next year about 25 miles east of Naples in southwestern Florida.

 

The town and the university, developed in partnership with the Barron Collier Co., an agricultural and real estate business, will be set on 5,000 acres with a European-inspired town center, a massive church and what planners call the largest crucifix in the nation, at nearly 65 feet tall. Monaghan envisions 11,000 homes and 20,000 residents.

 

During a speech last year at a Catholic men's gathering in Boston, Monaghan said that in his community, stores will not sell pornographic magazines, pharmacies will not carry condoms or birth control pills, and cable television will have no X-rated channels.

 

Homebuyers in Ave Maria will own their property outright. But Monaghan and Barron Collier will control all commercial real estate in the town, meaning they could insert provisions in leases to restrict the sale of certain items.

 

"I believe all of history is just one big battle between good and evil. I don't want to be on the sidelines," Monaghan, who sold Domino's Pizza in 1998 to devote himself to doing good works, said in a recent Newsweek interview.

 

Robert Falls, a spokesman for the project, said Tuesday that attorneys are still reviewing the legal issues and that Monaghan had no comment in the meantime.

 

"If they attempt to do what he apparently wants to do, the people of Naples and Collier County, Florida, are in for a whole series of legal and constitutional problems and a lot of litigation indefinitely into the future," warned Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

 

Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said it will be up to the courts to decide the legalities of the plan. "The community has the right to provide a wholesome environment," he said. "If someone disagrees, they have the right to go to court and present facts before a judge."

 

Gov. Jeb Bush, at the site's groundbreaking earlier this month, lauded the development as a new kind of town where faith and freedom will merge to create a community of like-minded citizens. Bush, a convert to Catholicism, did not speak specifically to the proposed restrictions.

 

"While the governor does not personally believe in abortion or pornography, the town, and any restrictions they may place on businesses choosing to locate there, must comply with the laws and constitution of the state and federal governments," Russell Schweiss, a spokesman for the governor, said Tuesday.

 

Frances Kissling, president of the liberal Washington-based Catholics for a Free Choice, likened Monaghan's concept to Islamic fundamentalism.
 

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"This is un-American," Kissling said. "I don't think in a democratic society you can have a legally organized township that will seek to have any kind of public service whatsoever and try to restrict the constitutional rights of citizens."

 

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Ave Maria University: http://www.naples.avemaria.edu

Ave Maria: http://www.avemaria.com


 
 
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The Apocalypse of Saint John 8:3-4
HailGilbert
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2006, 01:10:AM »

The Domino's Pizza guy is just another blasted neo-Catholic, and no friend to Distributism.

On another board I sometimes post onto, the folks who oppose this are truly scared that this project will "become another Jonestown". They are not saying this in some snide or insulting manner either, folks. They are genuinely scared, right down to their socks. One who is a student of Spengler's view of history holds it will fail because "it doesn't allow freedom", believing this proposed "utopian" community will become a "cult center" that may spawn an "even worse militant organization (using religion as an excuse) as the Radical Muslims".

Stuff like what Monaghan's proposing is giving these folks I know - a few who are very dear and close non-Traditional Catholic friends of mine - fears that this will truly mean "neo-Catholics with g**s" ready to destroy liberals, Wiccans, Jews, Muslims, Santirean worshippers and the occasional Traditional Catholic. And with no iron-clad guarantee that this WON'T happen anytime in the future. (For me, this is counter-productive. For we Catholics are so divided between neos and Trads, and the Trads between SSPX, sedes, Feeneyites and so on, we'd end up fighting each other rather than them. )

They are THAT terrified, neighbors. For me, I'm more terrified of what both Bush and the Democrats are planning for those who won't toe their New World Order line. They're terrified of those who fight the Sexual Revolution for the evil that it is, thinking that it will end in martial law and detention camps for THEM.

And again, no guarantee that it WON'T happen: therefore, it will happen. At least, to their minds. It will probably never happen in reality, but that fact doesn't calm them down.

I can understand Monagham's zeal and concerns, but this is no way to convert non-Catholics and liberals, nor to convert America - of it's own free will - to the True Faith.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2006, 02:33:AM »

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If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan has his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an abortion, pornography or birth control.


This man is a stricter Catholic than I imagined. Domino's "I've got the hots" campaign made me vaguely imagine a genial C & E cafeteria catholic.

Still Domino means "for the Lord", which is a good touch. (In a street near here, you can see Domino's pizza almost next door to Hell Pizza, which makes an arresting juxtaposition.)
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Charlemagne
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2006, 07:59:AM »

This is not about converting the world,  it is about making a place where Catholics can feel as at home as it is possible in this life.  It is about making a place where Catholics can live together as a community something which I feel is sorely needed.  At the height of Catholicism's glorious past there where whole countries ran along Catholic principles, now people are afraid of even one town been ran that way, I for one cannot understand this fear.  It may fail, if it is even allowed, it may turn bad, but as Catholics we must live in hope, ultimately if God wishes it to be a success it will be, and if he wishes to allow it to fail then it will fail.  
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mattc
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2006, 08:25:AM »

Quote from: Charlemagne
This is not about converting the world, it is about making a place where Catholics can feel as at home as it is possible in this life. It is about making a place where Catholics can live together as a community something which I feel is sorely needed. At the height of Catholicism's glorious past there where whole countries ran along Catholic principles, now people are afraid of even one town been ran that way, I for one cannot understand this fear. It may fail, if it is even allowed, it may turn bad, but as Catholics we must live in hope, ultimately if God wishes it to be a success it will be, and if he wishes to allow it to fail then it will fail.

 If he gets the right support I believe it could work.  One thing Catholics have done for centuries is create communities, so I would guess there is the potential for success.  And if other such communities started springing up (to the ACLU's horror) we might end up getting good at it.
 
 Jonestown just doesn't seem like something that Catholics would come up with.
 
 -Matt-
 
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The Apocalypse of Saint John 8:3-4


LiberalJew
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2006, 10:18:AM »

I do not see anything wrong with a Catholic town. Their are exclusively Jewish communities. I think it is natural to want to raise your children amongst like minded people.

 

Andy

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catholicresistence
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2006, 10:48:AM »

Domino's founder is-per Dr. Sungenis' articles and independant research- a NeoCon. As for Jeb, he is a Bush, did nothing for Terry Schiavo and hangs out at Bohemian Grove.

 

IF that is the town they want-NeoConville-no thanks!!!

 

I will live in the Kingdom on earth, the Catholic Church. I am a citizen 1st and formost of her.

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catholicresistence
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2006, 10:50:AM »

Quote from: LiberalJew

I do not see anything wrong with a Catholic town. Their are exclusively Jewish communities. I think it is natural to want to raise your children amongst like minded people.

 

Andy

 

 

Good point, sadly, these men are NeoCatholics. I bet the first act will be to name a Blvd John Paul the Great-though of course they support him as long as it does not go against GOP/Bush.

 

The second, a GW statue-Holding out his hand, the world in it.

 

Yes, I can see it now.

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catholicresistence
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2006, 10:51:AM »

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If he gets the right support I believe it could work.  One thing Catholics have done for centuries is create communities, so I would guess there is the potential for success.  And if other such communities started springing up (to the ACLU's horror) we might end up getting good at it.

Jonestown just doesn't seem like something that Catholics would come up with.

-Matt-
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The only way to survive is self-reliance. Christ is King, form your own systems around Catholic teaching. We should be doing this in ALL areas of life. Bypass the humanists and NWO.

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LiberalJew
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2006, 10:56:AM »

These republicans do seem to fall into Caesar worship as far as the "Shrub" is concerned.

 

Andy

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